Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[rocketskates]

So first he was just a kid. Now well down play his theft and assault of a store clerk.

Well done liberals. Address the real issue, don't commit crimes, don't assault cops, and you won't be in this situation.

Pretty much. It's amazing how quickly the issue is brought up that it is dismissed. "It was only 50.00 dollars!" True, but the theft alone gave the officer reason to stop Brown. What happened after that is admittedly murky but Brown is no longer an innocent teen just minding his own business.

 

[OldGoat]

Would anyone here be so dense to explicitly say that?

(Actually, yes, that has been explicitly said elsewhere, just no here. Very surprising indeed.)

Well technically they are animals. The real insult would be to call them something from a different kingdom such as protista or plants. If I believed in fighting words, archaebacteria would be high on the list.

 

[CableandThanos]

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[Diamond Jim]

hang on man, I don't think the cop should have shot him fleeing 30 feet away with his back turned and no weapon. I think the cop lost his cool and did it, but that shot may still end up being illegal

Cops can and should shoot a fleeing suspect if they just assaulted the officer.

 

[CableandThanos]

Cops can and should shoot a fleeing suspect if they just assaulted the officer.

I think that would set a horrible standard.


Everytime a cop wanted to shoot someone they could just say he assaulted me. What qualifies as assault? Also suspect? What happens when the shoot they wrong dude?


Of course it goes back to the basic don't run from or assault the police and you more than likely will be alive.

 

[liljoe]

Cops can and should shoot a fleeing suspect if they just assaulted the officer.

Correct. There was just a well respected liberal defense attorney on CNN stating that the courts allow an officer to use deadly force on a fleeing suspect if there is cause.

 

[panamaican]

edit- shit his was a reply to pan


when did I ever say you must claim blackness in every thread, I didn't even know you considered yourself black until you told me? So how was I saying you have to claim something I didn't even know?

You can respond all you want and I am gonna keep typing.

I am gonna give my opinion on what I think can help the black community and what they can do to help improve themselves.

See you think people don't need to be telling them what to do, I think maybe more people do need to be telling them what to do seeing as how the are behind or worse in every major statistic there is in society. Yes most of that comes from slavery and jim crow. I am not saying that is not a major reason


But maybe more telling and less excuse making might be a good thing for once.

Yes there is plenty of shit white people or other segments of society need to do as well, start a thread and we can discuss that.

As much as you seem to hate it, it's not unreasonable to ask some segments to make some changes (including white people). Wanting a change or telling what could help is not a bad thing.

Hush, you're just furthering the harm to your image. You're going beyond saying what benefits the black community into what the community is/isn't doing. You're wrong. The black community is doing exactly what you claimed they weren't doing. So, I'm waiting for you to praise the efforts instead of pretending they don't exist or minimizing them.

Go ahead - devote one of your rants to the wonderful activism from the black clergy. If you can criticize, I'm sure you can praise.

As to the blackness comment - in the other thread after you played the race card and failed, you frequently made comments that I hadn't made enough references to being black in other race threads. Understand? By criticizing my failure to reference something, you are implicitly stating that it must be referenced and, given the nature of message boards, I must make frequent references so that your error doesn't reoccur as a result of someone not reading the specific threads where I made the references.

 

[CableandThanos]

Correct. There was just a well respected liberal defense attorney on CNN stating that the courts allow an officer to use deadly force on a fleeing suspect if there is cause.

but is there really cause to shoot the guy who stole a candy bar (or whatever it was) as he is running away? The guy was unarmed and not a threat to society or people in general.

 

[Diamond Jim]

I think that would set a horrible standard.


Everytime a cop wanted to shoot someone they could just say he assaulted me. What qualifies as assault? Also suspect? What happens when the shoot they wrong dude?


Of course it goes back to the basic don't run from or assault the police and you more than likely will be alive.

Tennessee v. Garner. Police can use deadly force when pursuing an unarmed suspect if officer believes the suspect poses a risk to other officers or people. If indeed Brown did resist arrest and assault the officer then he could be justified in firing.

 

[rocketskates]

Cops can and should shoot a fleeing suspect if they just assaulted the officer.

Also, it's pretty easy to articulate that a robbery suspect who just battered a cop and went for his gun could be deemed a threat to the general safety of the public. Not saying if that's what actually happened or not but I'm playing devils advocate. You give criminals due process, the same should be afforded to the officer.

 

[liljoe]

but is there really cause to shoot the guy who stole a candy bar (or whatever it was) as he is running away? The guy was unarmed and not a threat to society or people in general.

He was a possible suspect in a robbery (felony) and he might have punched the cop. If you run from that, a shooting can be justified.

 

[Concrete]

What they really need are pictures of him assaulting the cop, until then no one's getting down from their high horse.

 

[Calmete]

Will any of the sherdog Al Sharptons apologize?

 

[CableandThanos]

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[Jack V Savage]

Why the left is of the mind that government can be big in every shape and form and have damn near unlimited power to regulate and enforce law and still feel fit to criticize the people that compose the government is a bit hypocritical.

If that has ever happened, it would be. But, of course, as usual, you're just lying.

That's why I have a hard time taking JvS seriously in a thread like this. What else does more and more consolidated power result in if not corruption among the people in power and abuses from their enforcement wing? "But, but, it's for the good of the people." Lol.

What power have I advocated consolidating? How is consolidation of power an issue here, anyway? The problem here is out-of-control local gov't, is it not?

 

[CableandThanos]

Tennessee v. Garner. Police can use deadly force when pursuing an unarmed suspect if officer believes the suspect poses a risk to other officers or people. If indeed Brown did resist arrest and assault the officer then he could be justified in firing.

This is what is so interesting about these situations (outside of the fact that someone is dead, that is sad in any instance), is that you can debate things like poses a risk to other officer or people.

There will be people who say yes he was a risk and others who say he was running away trying to get away, not harm others.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Tennessee v. Garner. Police can use deadly force when pursuing an unarmed suspect if officer believes the suspect poses a risk to other officers or people. If indeed Brown did resist arrest and assault the officer then he could be justified in firing.

resisting i don't think qualifies. plus the kid stopped running and put his hands up and then the cop killed him.

 

[Goonerview]

He was just adjusting his collar!!

is this for real?

I wonder how the liberal media are going to spin this.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

He was a possible suspect in a robbery (felony) and he might have punched the cop. If you run from that, a shooting can be justified.

lol might have punched a cop, according to who? the cop who killed him?

and no, once he stopped running and put his hands up the cop didn't have the right to shoot him. according to the witnesses the cop was chasing him down shooting his gun. i don't think that's real solid police work right there.

 

[ncordless]

Great to see the cops get a clue last night, ditch the military gear, and reduce the violence and tension.