Rickson Gracie FAQ

Oak said:
Saulo just came out of retirement and crushed. Would be nice to see Rickson do the same.
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Saulo is 36.
Rickson? ...51.

Bit of a difference there.
 
My head instructor, and Rickson's student, Pedro Sauer just started a blog and his first post is fairly relevant to the discussion. Here's the relevant excerpt:

Pedro Sauer's Blog

... Sport Jiu Jitsu, however, was the next step in Jiu Jitsu's proliferation and popularization. Now we have people contesting which techniques will work on the street and which can only work on the mat. These arguments must be discussed with a universal understanding of what we are doing here..

Positions such as the deep half guard, 50/50, x-guard and SO on are all evolutions of the art of grappling. They were quick solutions to certain problems in basic grappling and the playing of these guards and positions are only possible because the rules and limitations of our sport allow for them. This much is simple. When you take out the punches and the nhb, these positions are naturally there. I believe when it comes to bettering ourselves at grapplers in sport, there is nothing we should not learn. I am 52 and I still open my mind to any white belt-black belt that has a new move to show me. But when it comes to using those techniques for the actual act of self-defense and fighting.... I am sure many players and fighters would quickly agree that they would not use their favorite half guard when knocked to the ground in a fight. It is just common sense for anyone who values their face :-)

In conclusion, it is simply understanding what you are training that makes the difference. There is no harm in training for self-defense or sport as long as you understand the difference. Like many things, jiu jitsu does not have to be a chore.. it can simply be enjoyed.
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Oak said:
At first I thought you were joking, but then I read your second reply and realized you believe everything you are typing. My instructor already made Kron tap, I can't lie I would love to see him go against Rickson.
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Hey congrats to sergio for getting the tap back in 2008, he had a great run that year, Kron was a little inexperienced at that level, he was 19 buddy, a teenager, it was evident by watching that match that a boy was fighting a man, so congrats to sergio, he is a badass, but what about when sergio got KTFO by this guy who filled in on short notice...

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i wonder what belt this guy is, do u know? im guessing white, he tried to box when he should have used jiu jitsu, so STFU and Rickson even when he is 60 would tool Sergio, ur response only makes me think less of u, so now my question to u is...

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Oak said:
Was in competition not in private, but thanks for the etiquette lesson.
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u needed it, what does sergio teach u, im sure if he knew what u were saying he would not be happy
 
Hades666 said:
yes and if u have a problem with that statement go challenge him or go have your instructor challenge him
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i admit this was a bad way to respond but it really upsets me when anonymous usernames question a great authority in jiu jitsu like rickson, sometimes u need faith that others who have more knowledge and experience know what is best, instead of getting all petty and calling him a grumpy old man, Rickson Gracie is Jiu Jitsu and if u train in Jiu Jitsu you need to show respect, just like i have the utmost respect for guys like Fabio Gurgel, Marcelo, the Jacare's, and everyone else on a different team that trains in the art i love, THAT'S ART, NOT SPORT!! the sport is a fun thing to do and a good way to be recognized but it hardly represents real jiu jitsu

WAR RICKSON!!
 
Hades666 said:
u needed it, what does sergio teach u, im sure if he knew what u were saying he would not be happy
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You need to take a good look at yourself in the mirror, or at least reread the past few pages of this thread. Nobody here flamed Rickson, or did anything remotely requiring you to get "buck wild" like you are. You sure are putting people into place with your tough internet persona though.
 
Balto said:
The frustration comes from the inability to follow him. It's natural to want to improve yourself, and Rickson has achieved a great level so others would like to do so as well. When they don't see a path to do so, it causes frustration.

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I really do not understand some of the stuff you say!

Are you talking about your frustration? some else frustration? some of your posts have an agenda which I do not dig.

somehow I feel you have a horse in this race.
 
Hades666 said:
like he said in that interview people need to realize that jiu jitsu is a complete fighting art, u dont really need to cross train because if ur jiu jitsu is perfect, u will always be in a position that takes away the other fighters strengths and jiu jitsu alone is more than capable of that, u guys train in jiu jitsu and u question it's philosophy so much, i have to agree with rickson that pure jiu jitsu does not exist here because obvioulsy people are getting it twisted, im just happy i train at rickson's academy and i have kron passing on his father's philosophy to myself and my team!
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While I respect your loyalty towards your instructor and your need to repeat everything he tells you, I implore you to read the thread and respond to the flow of information (questions, disagreement, agreement etc..).

Now, Rickson has not fought for 10 years.
MMA has moved on since 10 years ago. The traditionalists like Rickson would say BJJ by itself is just good enough to win.

Rickson blames JJ guys for trying to use their cross training to win a match.

I do not think he is against cross training but if you are JJ fighter, you take the fight to the ground and finish it. no point to stand and trade punches! So he wants them to stick with the JJ game.

Such mentality or point of view would raise many eye brows and raise questions.

Does Rickson realise the level of competition out there?
the good old days of taking people to the ground for the finish are over.

I am disillusioned with Rickson due to his attitude towards modern MMA fighters and BJJ sport fighters.

what is goind on in his head?

His sense of grandeur like saying that he is on a crusade to teach pure JJ back in Brasil at USD200 per person! who can afford a price like that?
 
lechien said:
I really do not understand some of the stuff you say!

Are you talking about your frustration? some else frustration? some of your posts have an agenda which I do not dig.

somehow I feel you have a horse in this race.
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Sorry for the confusion. I'll try to clear things up.

I don't really think I have a horse in the race other than the fact that I have links to some of the competitive BJJ community.

I have a couple ties to the competitive BJJ community. I go to a competition oriented school, I have trained with a lot of guys who fight at the worlds (some even getting medals), and I just am generally exposed to those guys a lot. I am myself not a particularly active competitor, but I train with a lot who are. I don't go to the big IBJJF competitions, and I've only competed maybe 15 times total, but I have been exposed to the guys who take this stuff very seriously.

The frustration I bring up is just what I feel myself sometimes and also hear from the other guys. By other guys I mean just a wide range of competitively minded types from white belt to black belt. It's nobody in particular (in fact it's not even any one school in particular), and nobody ever disrespects Rickson. That would be ludicrous.

It mostly comes from the fact that a lot of communication coming from Rickson lately is seen by them as basically saying "Rickson disapproves of your training." That may be getting interpreted wrong, but it's what I pick up on. And that's frustrating to them to hear that from such a respected guy.

I think DonkeyKong said it best when he stated that ultimately, Rickson's path isn't clear for a lot of people so they need to go with another path that is clear to them. When I mentioned that people are starting to dismiss these statements as no longer relevant because they are from a past generation, that's really what I was getting at. It's not any sort of disrespect towards Rickson; it's just the recognition that modern BJJ has evolved beyond what it was in Rickson's time and is no longer the same in all parts.

So when the latest Rickson article comes out stating that competitive BJJ guys are only doing 30% of the art, or that X-guard is watering down pure BJJ, a lot of people just assume that doesn't really apply to the BJJ they are doing so they continue on their path regardless.

Hopefully that clears stuff up. I can see why it was a little ambiguous before.
 
I respect this guy, he's a really talented and gifted individual. Perhaps one out of a billions. I guess the only way he can prove that his theory of pure bjj is possible(since his old and retired now) is to either really impart everything he believed in to someone like perhaps his son or his fav students etc and go fight mma with the current level of competition.


lechien said:
While I respect your loyalty towards your instructor and your need to repeat everything he tells you, I implore you to read the thread and respond to the flow of information (questions, disagreement, agreement etc..).

Now, Rickson has not fought for 10 years.
MMA has moved on since 10 years ago. The traditionalists like Rickson would say BJJ by itself is just good enough to win.

Rickson blames JJ guys for trying to use their cross training to win a match.

I do not think he is against cross training but if you are JJ fighter, you take the fight to the ground and finish it. no point to stand and trade punches! So he wants them to stick with the JJ game.

Such mentality or point of view would raise many eye brows and raise questions.

Does Rickson realise the level of competition out there?
the good old days of taking people to the ground for the finish are over.

I am disillusioned with Rickson due to his attitude towards modern MMA fighters and BJJ sport fighters.

what is goind on in his head?

His sense of grandeur like saying that he is on a crusade to teach pure JJ back in Brasil at USD200 per person! who can afford a price like that?
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revad3 said:
I respect this guy, he's a really talented and gifted individual. Perhaps one out of a billions. I guess the only way he can prove that his theory of pure bjj is possible(since his old and retired now) is to either really impart everything he believed in to someone like perhaps his son or his fav students etc and go fight mma with the current level of competition.
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It is not gonna happen.

Rickson will just keep doing his limited amount of seminars to loyal affiliates and that is just about it.
 
Roger is the new and improved Rickson. Doing things the way they are supposed to be done.
 
lechien said:
While I respect your loyalty towards your instructor and your need to repeat everything he tells you, I implore you to read the thread and respond to the flow of information (questions, disagreement, agreement etc..).

Now, Rickson has not fought for 10 years.
MMA has moved on since 10 years ago. The traditionalists like Rickson would say BJJ by itself is just good enough to win.

Rickson blames JJ guys for trying to use their cross training to win a match.

I do not think he is against cross training but if you are JJ fighter, you take the fight to the ground and finish it. no point to stand and trade punches! So he wants them to stick with the JJ game.

Such mentality or point of view would raise many eye brows and raise questions.

Does Rickson realise the level of competition out there?
the good old days of taking people to the ground for the finish are over.

I am disillusioned with Rickson due to his attitude towards modern MMA fighters and BJJ sport fighters.

what is goind on in his head?

His sense of grandeur like saying that he is on a crusade to teach pure JJ back in Brasil at USD200 per person! who can afford a price like that?
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ur points are valid and they make sense, questioning what we know is the only way to advance and evolve, but for me to question someone who has dedicated their entire life to jiu jitsu and the understanding of it, i dont feel like i should, even when i get my black belt (hopefully in about 5 years) i still feel like i wouldnt be qualified, i just have faith in the philosophy, i dont think there is a situation or scenario in a fight that jiu jitsu does not have the answer for

i know if i only dedicate myself to one art instead of 3 or 4, i will be better off and have a better understanding of a fight and what to do, different arts may contradict what to do at certain times, the sergio vs brett cooper fight is an example, he abandoned jiu jitsu once brett was able to make it to his feet, unfortunately for sergio he did not have the luxury of no time limit so he felt rushed to act, rushing to act contradicts jiu jitsu philosophy and he paid the price, why do u think the gracies always asked for no time limits, jiu jitsu is not a fancy kick your ass art but a scientific and methodical art, that is all im trying to say and i dont mean to offend anyone and neither did rickson

and about the 200$, it's human nature to want to make money, rickson is human and in a position to create opportunity for himself and his family, and that's all i will say about the biz aspect of jiu jitsu
 
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