Opinion Richard Nixon: Most Pro-Environment POTUS of All-Time?

[Deleted member 592570]

The EPA that killed the muscle car? His biggest fuckup.

 

[Kingz]

You know who else was pro environment?


Yep, Hitler

 

[Deorum]

The EPA that killed the muscle car? His biggest fuckup.

An egregious sin.

It wasn't the only factor at play, though. They were still being produced in the years following the establishment of the EPA. The '73 OPEC imposed oil embargo (especially), skyrocketing insurance premiums on performance cars, vehicle safety regulations, and market driven demand for efficient and luxury models also played a role.

 

[deviake]

“Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.”

-Anthony Bourdain

I alluded to this with this Bourdain quote but while we can acknowledge Nixon did some good things domestically, lettuce not forget that piece of fuck ridden shit is a massive understatement to describe him and the life that was taken due to his foreign policy, never mind the drug war and his racism (I know he was a "man of his time"). I like the environment too and I recognize his administration's contributions there, but human life matters to me as well, and not just the ones in my country. Just to be clear.

 

[Crazy Source]

An egregious sin.

It wasn't the only factor at play, though. They were still being produced in the years following the establishment of the EPA. The '73 OPEC imposed oil embargo (especially), skyrocketing insurance premiums on performance cars, vehicle safety regulations, and market driven demand for efficient and luxury models also played a role.

A Hellcat would blow doors off any of those muscle cars of the day. So, we still have muscle cars.

 

[Deorum]

A Hellcat would blow doors off any of those muscle cars of the day. So, we still have muscle cars.

Absolutely, lol. I've still always wanted and thought about a classic Chevy Chevelle SS though, 396 or 454. Or you know, a 572 with an 8-71 Roots Blower.

 

[Crazy Source]

Absolutely, lol. I've still always wanted and thought about a classic Chevy Chevelle SS though, 396 or 454. Or you know, a 572 with an 8-71 Roots Blower.

I want a Super Bee. Fucking roots blower..........

 

[Deorum]

I alluded to this with this Bourdain quote but while we can acknowledge Nixon did some good things domestically, lettuce not forget that piece of fuck ridden shit is a massive understatement to describe him and the life that was taken due to his foreign policy, never mind the drug war and his racism (I know he was a "man of his time"). I like the environment too and I recognize his administration's contributions there, but human life matters to me as well, and not just the ones in my country. Just to be clear.

Who's your favorite POTUS if you had to pick one, Carter?

 

[deviake]

Who's your favorite POTUS if you had to pick one, Carter?

Hard to answer. Maybe Carter if we're talking the best person of them all but from what I know of him he wasn't a great president. I don't know. I know they're "men of their time" as I alluded to earlier but it's hard for me to parse that out. I'd have to think about it.

 

[Deorum]

Hard to answer. Maybe Carter if we're talking the best person of them all but from what I know of him he wasn't a great president. I don't know. I know they're "men of their time" as I alluded to earlier but it's hard for me to parse that out. I'd have to think about it.

I think you're just preoccupied with the immediate events and issues of your own lifetime, but that's 99.9% of people and entirely understandable for very obvious reasons. It's just interesting to me to look back and see how we got here, where and when things changed, who and what were responsible for driving them for better or worse, you know? That has its own utility aside from simply adding to knowledge base.

 

[deviake]

I think you're just preoccupied with the immediate events and issues of your own lifetime, but that's 99.9% of people and entirely understandable for very obvious reasons. It's just interesting to me to look back and see how we got here, where and when things changed, who and what were responsible for driving them for better or worse, you know? That has its own utility aside from simply adding to knowledge base.

Eh, I mean yeah, but if you're against slavery, mass murder, genocide, rape, the marginalization of other people, the overthrowing of democratically elected governments and the exploitation of others for resources that rules out a lot of US presidents lol. To be concise, I suppose historically speaking I've more of a Howard Zinn view.

That said, I agree with the rest of your post and when discussing something like this I can put that aside-ish to an extent.

I guess I'd probably have to say FDR I suppose? Or should I say the socialists and communists that influenced him.



There's recency bias (it's been almost a 100 years but still) for sure but his class antagonism was pretty remarkable, not to mention getting the country through a World War and setting the grounds for US prosperity for decades, until it all started getting rolled back. I wonder what would've happened had he lived, he was working on a second bill of rights when he died. Definitely bold and a visionary, exactly what we needed at that time.