Television Rewatching ‘Some’ Game of Thrones

[Roids]

Keeps getting better, with Season 4 being the best. Then it just takes a dive. You can't tell me you don't notice a steep decline beginning with season 5.

Nah. The first 6 series were all a very high standard, and anyone saying it dropped off after season 4 is just parroting nonsense, because some of the most epic episodes ever happened in season 6 with major pay offs, is was arguably the most epic season of all. There definitely is a drop off in the last 2 seasons with the writing becoming noticeably dumber. What was the drop off in season 6 exactly?

 

[Thrawn33]

Seasons 7&8 destroyed the characters that were built up so well in the earlier seasons and it was obvious that it was because the showrunners could not write and dove into Hollywood cliches.

Tyrion being reduced to dick jokes
Varys & Littlefinger suddenly becoming morons
Cersi becoming one dimensional
Sansa suddenly becoming a genius
Snow "dunt want it"
Jamie with more stupid face/heel turns than WCW in its final days

 

[Prefect]

Nah. The first 6 series were all a very high standard, and anyone saying it dropped off after season 4 is just parroting nonsense, because some of the most epic episodes ever happened in season 6 with major pay offs, is was arguably the most epic season of all. There definitely is a drop off in the last 2 seasons with the writing becoming noticeably dumber. What was the drop off in season 6 exactly?

I think they were running out of tv worthy material from the books. I suspect the shows writers were hemmed in by wanting to be true to the books and GRRM never admitting he was done writing the series. As good as the books are, I dont think much of it translates to a good tv narrative. I think the show writers probably deserve more credit than they get for fleshing out a series of books that are not at all written as having a strong narative.

 

[HHJ]

Nah. The first 6 series were all a very high standard, and anyone saying it dropped off after season 4 is just parroting nonsense, because some of the most epic episodes ever happened in season 6 with major pay offs, is was arguably the most epic season of all. There definitely is a drop off in the last 2 seasons with the writing becoming noticeably dumber. What was the drop off in season 6 exactly?

Cersei blowing up the sept was GOAT TV cinema

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

I feel if I ever did a rewatch, I’d stop after the season 6 finale. Season 6 still felt like it was pretty damn good overall and the final two episodes of it were very memorable.

Same.

 

[Thrawn33]

Cersei blowing up the sept was GOAT TV cinema

Great scene

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

The Door and Battle of the Bastards are two of my favorite episodes.

I barely consider the last two seasons canon.

The only problem with season 6 is the complete lack of explanation for Jon's resurrection. We're just supposed to accept it.

They just went with it working like Berrics resurrections. Neither were explained as anything other than they had something else important to do. Not a good explanation at all, barely one. But at the very least they established it can happen earlier.

 

[Thrawn33]

Aside from D&Ds inability to create without source material, they rushed the outline GRRM gave them to finish to get that sweet Mouse money doing Star Wars. HBO was gonna give them several 10+ ep seasons to close out which might have made some of the bigger plot moments make more sense when not rushed. They said nope, we want that Mouse Money we'll finish up in a short season...

...thankfully karma bit them in the ass as their rushed work also showed their lack of skill to create and Disney said "know what...thanks but no thanks". We the fans ate shit, but at least so did they.

 

[Slobodan]

@lsa's favourite character was Ser Devos.

 

[Brother Numsi]

Seasons 7&8 destroyed the characters that were built up so well in the earlier seasons and it was obvious that it was because the showrunners could not write and dove into Hollywood cliches.

Tyrion being reduced to dick jokes
Varys & Littlefinger suddenly becoming morons
Cersi becoming one dimensional
Sansa suddenly becoming a genius
Snow "dunt want it"
Jamie with more stupid face/heel turns than WCW in its final days

Jaime was the most disappointing. Spent seasons making his character become a better man and then he goes back to Cersei. The woman who ordered the Mountain to kill him and then sent Bron to kill him and Tyrion?!

 

[Thrawn33]

Jaime was the most disappointing. Spent seasons making his character become a better man and then he goes back to Cersei. The woman who ordered the Mountain to kill him and then sent Bron to kill him and Tyrion?!

It sucked.

Again may have worked with more time to develop if that was always the plan...or in a book setting where we get more internal exposition...

Well never know

 

[EndlessCritic]

They just went with it working like Berrics resurrections. Neither were explained as anything other than they had something else important to do. Not a good explanation at all, barely one. But at the very least they established it can happen earlier.

yea but nobody gives a shit about berric. he's a funky side character who is permitted to have special abilities.

i'll even let melisandre's demon have a pass.

but jon is (more than arguably) the most important character in the series. his literal resurrection is an important event. some deeper explanation is warranted for "why".

the only other thing in the series i found just as disappointing was the usage of time travel during The Door, only for that mechanic to never be used again. like jeez, bran warging into the past to somehow revive jon would have made potential sense.

 

[HereticBD]

Nah. The first 6 series were all a very high standard, and anyone saying it dropped off after season 4 is just parroting nonsense

Nah, S5 was big step down from what came before. Not horrible or anything, but it went from HBO quality, to Showtime quality. S6 did bring it back up quite a bit, though. That was last great season, albeit still below the first four.

The last two seasons, especially S7, were basically high budget CW shows. The writing was so bad.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

All these years later and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the last season or two.

GRRM got off easy with all things being considered. D&D were never equipped to fill in the rest of the story nor any writer they hired except for the man himself.

 

[HHJ]

The decision to switch out Roose Bolton for Tywin Lannister to talk to the captive Arya was way better than what the book did.

 

[Thrawn33]

The decision to switch out Roose Bolton for Tywin Lannister to talk to the captive Arya was way better than what the book did.

Agree, because more Tywin is better, always.

And the masterwork scene where Arya is serving the table and able to turn her face away every time Littlefinger tries to get a look at her, because she knows he'd recognize her. Was so subtly done I didn't even realize what was happening first watch.

Did you see the deleted scene with Tywin and Pycell, shows the dropped arc where he was pretending to be old and busted?

 

[HHJ]

Agree, because more Tywin is better, always.

And the masterwork scene where Arya is serving the table and able to turn her face away every time Littlefinger tries to get a look at her, because she knows he'd recognize her. Was so subtly done I didn't even realize what was happening first watch.

Did you see the deleted scene with Tywin and Pycell, shows the dropped arc where he was pretending to be old and busted?

Yes, I wish they didnt take that scene out.

The actor playing Pycelle was bored of playing him cos the writers just made him a fool who got insulted all the time by Cersei, but they started doing things to make his stammering harmless ways just a sham, and that made him more interested to play the character. As old as the actor was he actually was fit and can move quite well.

He never read the books either, wanting to develop him his own way as the show went on.

 

[Thrawn33]

Yes, I wish they didnt take that scene out.

The actor playing Pycelle was bored of playing him cos the writers just made him a fool who got insulted all the time by Cersei, but they started doing things to make his stammering harmless ways just a sham, and that made him more interested to play the character. As old as the actor was he actually was fit and can move quite well.

He never read the books either, wanting to develop him his own way as the show went on.

General Veers ain't no slouch, dude won the Battle of Hoth and only got old because he chose poorly and drank from the wrong cup.

 

[Halifax]

It sucked.

Again may have worked with more time to develop if that was always the plan...or in a book setting where we get more internal exposition...

Well never know

In the books, Cercei was always afraid of the prophet lady vision, who claimed she would die with her "younger brother's hands wrapped around your throat" and it was a basis for her hatred of Tyrion

But the running theory was Jaime would strangle her as he was the younger twin.

The books are so different from the show by season 6 that it doesn't matter. The show never delved into a lot of lore the books were delivering. Like, Catelyn Stark is a sentient zombie named Lady Stoneheart and was hanging Brienne of Tarth by the end of book 4 lol. And the last Targaryen Prince, Aegon is being returned to Westeros by the Golden Company and Jon Connington to reclaim his throne through Dorne and Doran martell is actually not the weak ass he was portrayed as in the show, he's just playing the long calculating game. The Mountain actually never killed Elia of Dorne and Rhaegar's son as Varys snuck the real son out and replaced him with a common baby and sent him to Essos for protection


Doesn't really matter as GRRM's fat ass stopped caring to finish the series as soon as he became a millionaire. He cares more for Legacy and worldbuilding now than finishing the series and has flat out said as much

 

[Contempt]

Maybe with the way that AI is going... assuming the author lives long enough to even release the next damn book... we can have AI remake the last two seasons of GOT properly, once he finishes off the story properly?