Revisionist History with Ronda

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15-0 streak to start her career (including amateur): 15 finishes with 14 in the first round and 11 in under a minute.

Wins over: Tate(x2), Zingano, McMann, Davis, Carmouche, Kaufman, Bethe, Tweet, Budd, D’Alelio, Gomes

Fedor, Chuck, Wand, Torres, Gomi, etc. all went on embarrassing losing streaks at some point, but they were still the very best at one point in time.

After reviewing the actual strength of her competition (beyond just saying “Bethe lmao”) and considering her dominance I think she’s WMMA GOAT. Two bad fights don’t cancel out all of her accomplishments.
 
Matthew Fedler said:
15-0 streak to start her career (including amateur): 15 finishes with 14 in the first round and 11 in under a minute.

Wins over: Tate(x2), Zingano, McMann, Davis, Carmouche, Kaufman, Bethe, Tweet, Budd, D’Alelio, Gomes

Fedor, Chuck, Wand, Torres, Gomi, etc. all went on embarrassing losing streaks at some point, but they were still the very best at one point in time.

After reviewing the actual strength of her competition (beyond just saying “Bethe lmao”) and considering her dominance I think she’s WMMA GOAT. Two bad fights don’t cancel out all of her accomplishments.
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It's all good for WMMA, but pretty irrelevant in MMA. It's great to be the smartest in your school too, but if you're homeschooled, who cares?
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Holly head kick ko gif is surely imminent...

but yeah, props to Honda for what she did achieve even if she got exposed in the end
 
She dominated a weak division and when it caught up to her she was exposed. That’s it
 
I don't think she can be greatest. At her best she was a strong candidate, but you can't just run and quit when you lose 1-2 times. No heart. All greats have heart, perseverance. Refusal to give up, want for revenge (or getting better).
 
RiseAboveHat said:
She dominated a weak division and when it caught up to her she was exposed. That’s it
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Ronda>Cat>Nunes

Ronda>Tate>Holm

Styles make fights. She still probably beats everyone outside the top 3 at BW IMO.
 
As many other have stated, she was the equivalent of royce gracie to wmma. As soon as opponents came around who were savvy to her rudimentary striking and her inability to muscle them with her throws, she got her clock cleaned twice.
 
Ronda was legit, but she failed to adapt to modern MMA.

I think her career could have been a lot better if she had a better mindset and better training. She was a legit Judoka and submission artist, but as time went on other fighters were able to use footworks or specific drilling to avoid her takedowns. If let's say early in her career she would have picked up wrestling and use better striking setups for her take downs she could have had a longer career.

I think she got into her own head, and her dumb camp didn't help either with improving. she essentially was the same fighter before and after.

Eventually running straight at your opponents and eating punches stop working, and you have nothing else in your arsenal.
 
Not sure how anyone places her ahead of Cyborg to be honest.

I'd put Joanna ahead of her as well based on how much better of a striker she is... especially if Joanna manages to beat Rose in the rematch.

Ronda dominated during her reign, but her stand up was always atrocious, once someone nullified her Judo + Arm Bar game she was brutally exposed.
 
There are still no female UFC fighters whose careers can fuck with those of Japanese fighters like Megumi Fuji and Yuka Tsuji.

Except for maybe Cyborg, I tend to exclude her from these discussions for reasons that glaringly obvious.
 
isor said:
There are still no female UFC fighters whose careers can fuck with those of Japanese fighters like Megumi Fuji and Yuka Tsuji.

Except for maybe Cyborg, I tend to exclude her from these discussions for reasons that glaringly obvious.
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Plus one for Megumi Fuji!
 
Her wins look better on paper only because the women she beat are improving and becoming better mixed martial artists. While she just peaked at the Bethe fight and never got better. Her Cat win is her best win, and Cat literally ran at her with open arms screaming, "take me down!"
 
Matthew Fedler said:
15-0 streak to start her career (including amateur): 15 finishes with 14 in the first round and 11 in under a minute.

Wins over: Tate(x2), Zingano, McMann, Davis, Carmouche, Kaufman, Bethe, Tweet, Budd, D’Alelio, Gomes

Fedor, Chuck, Wand, Torres, Gomi, etc. all went on embarrassing losing streaks at some point, but they were still the very best at one point in time.

After reviewing the actual strength of her competition (beyond just saying “Bethe lmao”) and considering her dominance I think she’s WMMA GOAT. Two bad fights don’t cancel out all of her accomplishments.
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it does cancel some of the accomplishments at least, because those other guys went on bad losing streaks after they were washed up and old. Ronda went on a 2 fight losing streak in her PRIME.

not to mention HOW she lost both fights were utterly embarrassing. after training with a boxing coach for years the most she can show for it is a sloppy KO of a Brazilian secretary.

had she lost because she just got caught or whatever, it would be different. but getting completely humiliated because it was the first time you ever fought someone who knew how to step to the side instead of stand there and get punched is pretty sad.
 
TS is right. I always chuckle to myself when I see people shit on her and act like she wasn't the greatest thing wmma had seen until that point. She was unmatched on the ground, and even had a couple KO's to her credit. She was just mentally weak.
 
You can't be the greatest if you got completely embarrassed twice in a row in your prime.
 
WMMA is fairly new with weak competition. Nobody should be calling any woman the GOAT yet alone comparing her to mens division.
 
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