Resurrection of the specialist in UFC

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Originally the UFC was set up the show which was the most effective martial art. Overtime fighters started cross training which lead to fighters (in general) going from 'only knowing one martial art' to 'experts in one martial art with enough knowledge in other area to survive' into 'jack of all trades'.

Recently we have seen the rise of specialists fighters in the rankings again, the likes of Maia, Jacare and Wonderboy. Thes guys are far more well rounded than early UFC fighter but they are still at heart specialists.( Jacare destroyed Hendricks standing with his kickboxing/karate, Maia destroyed Gunnar Nelson (a very high level grappler) on the ground.

By specialist fighters I mean fighters who were successful in one sport before moving over to MMA but still use a fairly pure form that sport. So while fighters like Penn (BJJ) and Henderson (wrestling) would have been successful in one sport prior to becoming MMA fighters you wouldn't always be able to tell from watching their fights. Where as fighters like Maia and Wonderboy's fights you can tell from their fights what that they are really high level at their respective background sport.

Is this just speclialist fighters learn to adapt their style to MMA, is it MMA's rise of in popularity and pay that is attracting higher level of athletes from other sports that could be successful in any sport over time or is this the progression of MMA that purely MMA trained fighters will always have weaknesses in certain aspects that a specialist can exploit.

I realise you could argue MMA has always been about exploiting the areas where you are stronger than your opponent. You could argue that this has and will always be the way. Do you think we will see more specialists going to the UFC and being successful ?
 
I think specialists will always be a minority in a high-level stage like the UFC. It takes an extraordinary level of skill to be competitive and win using primarily one discipline. Whereas it's a lot easier to be "decent enough" in all areas and grind out generic wins using whatever is available to you (guy leaving his neck exposed for a choke, or turtling up for a TKO, an ugly decision win, etc.).
 
I think we will see this less and less as time goes on.

When the ufc started singular martial arts were a big thing. But as time goes forward if you want to be a pro fighter well rounded is the new way. We are atill seeing specialists simply because they were in the era of this when learning.

The kids today who will be the future of our sport will train mma instead of karate,Taekwondo, bjj and such.
 
We need more soccer specialists, Aldos soccer base was untouchable until McGregor.
 
You say specialist, I say a fighter's base.
 
Originally the UFC was set up the show which was the most effective martial art. Overtime fighters started cross training which lead to fighters (in general) going from 'only knowing one martial art' to 'experts in one martial art with enough knowledge in other area to survive' into 'jack of all trades'.

Recently we have seen the rise of specialists fighters in the rankings again, the likes of Maia, Jacare and Wonderboy. Thes guys are far more well rounded than early UFC fighter but they are still at heart specialists.( Jacare destroyed Hendricks standing with his kickboxing/karate, Maia destroyed Gunnar Nelson (a very high level grappler) on the ground.

By specialist fighters I mean fighters who were successful in one sport before moving over to MMA but still use a fairly pure form that sport. So while fighters like Penn (BJJ) and Henderson (wrestling) would have been successful in one sport prior to becoming MMA fighters you wouldn't always be able to tell from watching their fights. Where as fighters like Maia and Wonderboy's fights you can tell from their fights what that they are really high level at their respective background sport.

Is this just speclialist fighters learn to adapt their style to MMA, is it MMA's rise of in popularity and pay that is attracting higher level of athletes from other sports that could be successful in any sport over time or is this the progression of MMA that purely MMA trained fighters will always have weaknesses in certain aspects that a specialist can exploit.

I realise you could argue MMA has always been about exploiting the areas where you are stronger than your opponent. You could argue that this has and will always be the way. Do you think we will see more specialists going to the UFC and being successful ?
Jacare didnt destroy hendricks, THOMPSON DID
 
MMA has always been dominated by guys who specialized in mixed martial arts. Vale Tudo, Combat Sambo, now we just call it MMA. Like when Cro Cop was running around killing everyone, he was a specialist, obviously, but his specialty wasn't stupid shit that didn't work. That's a far-cry from Taekwon McDojo and the traditional notion of specialization.

Regardless, yes, we will continue to see guys with specialized skillsets continue to succeed (this next card is a perfect example of that, the two defending champions both have very unique skillsets), and I would say that Maia and Thompson (less so Jacare) are examples of that. But no, we will never see one-trick pony fighters succeed at the very highest level.

and Palhares is still my boy, mind you.
 
Originally the UFC was set up the show which was the most effective martial art. Overtime fighters started cross training which lead to fighters (in general) going from 'only knowing one martial art' to 'experts in one martial art with enough knowledge in other area to survive' into 'jack of all trades'.

Recently we have seen the rise of specialists fighters in the rankings again, the likes of Maia, Jacare and Wonderboy. Thes guys are far more well rounded than early UFC fighter but they are still at heart specialists.( Jacare destroyed Hendricks standing with his kickboxing/karate, Maia destroyed Gunnar Nelson (a very high level grappler) on the ground.

By specialist fighters I mean fighters who were successful in one sport before moving over to MMA but still use a fairly pure form that sport. So while fighters like Penn (BJJ) and Henderson (wrestling) would have been successful in one sport prior to becoming MMA fighters you wouldn't always be able to tell from watching their fights. Where as fighters like Maia and Wonderboy's fights you can tell from their fights what that they are really high level at their respective background sport.

Is this just speclialist fighters learn to adapt their style to MMA, is it MMA's rise of in popularity and pay that is attracting higher level of athletes from other sports that could be successful in any sport over time or is this the progression of MMA that purely MMA trained fighters will always have weaknesses in certain aspects that a specialist can exploit.

I realise you could argue MMA has always been about exploiting the areas where you are stronger than your opponent. You could argue that this has and will always be the way. Do you think we will see more specialists going to the UFC and being successful ?

I think Maia and Wonderboy fit the mold you're trying to describe. But Jacare's expertise is BJJ, yet he fights stand up most the time.

Maybe Mark Hunt. He is a kick boxer through and through.
 
This thread just made me realize that Maia vs Wonderboy is an epic throwback fight. I hope we see that someday.
 
Wonderboy whipped Hendricks, not Jacare

( Jacare destroyed Hendricks standing with his kickboxing/karate, Maia destroyed Gunnar Nelson (a very high level grappler) on the ground.
 
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