Renato Moicano understands referee Chris Tognoni, but believes ref made a mistake in Fiziev stoppage

[aerius]

This is why we need Yamasaki back in the sport. Any fighter who thinks a stoppage was early gets Mario as his personal ref for the rest of his career.

 

[fprado]

Bring it back

 

[Jose Beehive]

None of ya'll ever watch Kongo vs Pat Barry? lol



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Moicano fight should have never been stopped then.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Anybody have a gif of of him falling down as he was trying to stand up???

He was CLEARLY DONE

But he wouldnt of stood up right away so thats kinda irrelevant..he would of wrapped up and recovered like he was trying too...

I think if the ref left it for more then 1 gnp shot worth of time ...the fight would of continued and wed get our answer...to how done he was..he was definitely hurt

 

[Poirierfan]

Anybody have a gif of of him falling down as he was trying to stand up???

He was CLEARLY DONE

No he wasn't, he could have recovered in guard. There was no reason for him to have to stand, it's stupid.

 

[Dreyga_King of Sherbums]

Doesn't matter. You can fight on the ground in MMA, which is where the fight was when it was stopped. He was establishing wrist control and working a knee shield when the fight was stopped. Plenty of fighters recover from being on wobbly legs.

But he wouldnt of stood up right away so thats kinda irrelevant..he would of wrapped up and recovered like he was trying too...

I think if the ref left it for more then 1 gnp shot worth of time ...the fight would of continued and wed get our answer...to how done he was..he was definitely hurt

No he wasn't, he could have recovered in guard. There was no reason for him to have to stand, it's stupid.

The fact that he was having trouble standing meant it was no longer safe for him to continue. It would have been irresponsible for the ref to let it keep going

 

[fortheo]

The fact that he was having trouble standing meant it was no longer safe for him to continue. It would have been irresponsible for the ref to let it keep going

Strongly disagree. We've seen fighters wobbled as shit before and come back to win

 

[Paolo Delutis]

The fact that he was having trouble standing meant it was no longer safe for him to continue. It would have been irresponsible for the ref to let it keep going

Being off balance or rocked shouldnt/doesnt mean the fights over...this is MMA...

Weve seen plenty of guys carry on and win...moicano has done that himself before...

Frankie edgar comes to mind...so does brock lesnar..by ur logic those fights should of been stopped too

 

[GBJohn]

This is why I could never be a ref. To me, Moicano looked out as he was going down. Seeing this, I would have mentally called the fight and moved to stop it. As I do so, he goes for full guard and wrist control. Now, I'm the idiot ref who stopped it too early. If I don't move in as he goes down, and he's as out as he looked in that instant, Fiziev could do some real damage. Now, I'm the idiot ref who got some poor guy hurt. You can't win.
I can see arguments both ways as to whether the fight should have been stopped, but I will never fault a ref for stopping a fight when I guy goes down like Moicano did in that instance.

 

[mooseman17]

I thought so as well until i saw him fall right back down when he tried standing up

 

[SKYNET]

Doesn't matter. You can fight on the ground in MMA, which is where the fight was when it was stopped. He was establishing wrist control and working a knee shield when the fight was stopped. Plenty of fighters recover from being on wobbly legs.

 

[aerius]

This is why I could never be a ref. To me, Moicano looked out as he was going down. Seeing this, I would have mentally called the fight and moved to stop it. As I do so, he goes for full guard and wrist control. Now, I'm the idiot ref who stopped it too early. If I don't move in as he goes down, and he's as out as he looked in that instant, Fiziev could do some real damage. Now, I'm the idiot ref who got some poor guy hurt. You can't win.
I can see arguments both ways as to whether the fight should have been stopped, but I will never fault a ref for stopping a fight when I guy goes down like Moicano did in that instance.

The only thing I can really fault the ref for in this fight is positioning, he was a bit too far away and didn't get the best view of the knockdown. On the other hand he's also dealing with lightweights who are moving all over the place so it's tough to stay on top of things at all times. Not the best stoppage, but I can't really hold it against the ref, this wasn't something like Askren vs. Lawler where the fight was stopped for no good reason.

 

[KID Yamamoto]

Early or not I understand the stoppage.

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

The fact that he was having trouble standing meant it was no longer safe for him to continue. It would have been irresponsible for the ref to let it keep going

Strongly disagree. We've seen fighters wobbled as shit before and come back to win

Whether you like the rule or not, the quote is “are you intelligently defending yourself”. If you’re establishing wrist control is that not intelligent defense?

 

[Chael_Sonnen]

Anybody have a gif of of him falling down as he was trying to stand up???

He was CLEARLY DONE

Thats not how stoppages work dude.

He was working in his guard. He didn't need to stand up lol.

Go read my thread that I made about it, or go watch BJM podcast, he agrees with me.

 

[Sticko]

The fact that he was having trouble standing meant it was no longer safe for him to continue. It would have been irresponsible for the ref to let it keep going

By this logic GSP-Serra I was an incredibly late stoppage, GSP was on roller skates

This wasn't a terrible stoppage but I think it was a little early. Like 1 punch too early. If Fiziev had landed one more punch cleanly with Moicano on the ground I don't think there's any argument.

 

[Madmick]

I'm amazed anyone wants to argue this was an early stoppage.

Come back to planet earth, thanks.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I'm amazed anyone wants to argue this was an early stoppage.

Come back to planet earth, thanks.

He didnt need to get up though...this is mma he could of locked him up in guard and recovered....and maybe won next round who knows...we were robbed of that

The wobbling is irrelevant as he wouldn't of been standing this isnt a boxing knockdown

 

[JustBleed69]

Renato Moicano lost to Rafael Fiziev in the preliminary portion of UFC 256 in Las Vegas.
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Rafael Fiziev stopped Renato Moicano with a beautiful combination at UFC 256 on Dec. 12 in Las Vegas, but Moicano disagrees with the stoppage

The Brazilian immediately complained to referee Chris Tognoni after his loss, which gave Fiziev his third straight victory inside the octagon. Speaking with MMA Fighting on Monday, Moicano said he was good to continue fighting after the knockdown.

“I think he made a mistake, because if you look closely, I also re-watched the fight, I was doing guard,” Moicano said. “I was in closed guard, starting to work already, and the referee jumped the gun. I understand him – it’s not easy to come here and criticize the referee and say he’s wrong because I got hit twice and went down, so his first reaction is to protect [the fighter], but this is a MMA fight.

“I was dropped before, continued fighting and won. That happened more than once in my career in Brazil. I’m not saying that’s what would have happened, but the truth is I was ready. I knew that was a possibility, and I’m a well-trained fighter on the ground. In my opinion the referee made a mistake [and] he should have let it continue. But at the same time, I understand it because referees are stopping it early every time more now.”

Moicano takes blame for the loss. He said he did not follow the strategy his team had prepared for his bout, getting too excited and choosing to stand and trade with Fiziev. Watching the replay, however, the Brazilian lightweight disputes the idea that he went out when Fiziev landed a combination and he woke back up when he hit his head on the ground.

“I didn’t feel that way – I felt on the entire time,” Moicano said. “I felt I lost the leg, but didn’t lose consciousness at any time — at least that I remember. It’s hard to say, of course. You’ll watch the video and see I got hit and felt it and went down, but I was protecting myself the entire time.”

Moicano dropped to 1-3 in his last four octagon appearances with all his losses coming by way of stoppage in bout against Jose Aldo, Chan Sung Jung and Fiziev. He plans on coming back to action “as soon as my medical suspension is over,” he said, but rules out a return to the featherweight division, where he got his start in the octagon.



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They could have let it go, but he was for sure done.
Shouldn't have tested the waters with him on the feet as long.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Doesn't matter. You can fight on the ground in MMA, which is where the fight was when it was stopped. He was establishing wrist control and working a knee shield when the fight was stopped. Plenty of fighters recover from being on wobbly legs.

It does matter. If a guy is hurt to that extent, then a ref is well within his rights to end a fight. The ref so a fighter so hurt by a strike that he fell without protecting his head and land heavily. he looked out. His inability to stand afterwards justifies that impression.