Rematches and their PPV Buys

[Luvhawky]

Did a quick 1 page search and couldn't find anything on this...

BJ Penn vs. Edgar

1. 500,000 buys (co-main behind Silva Maia)
2. 535,000 buys (Couture Tony was co-main)

Randy vs. Chuck

1. 49,000 (Kimo Tank was co-main)
2. 280,000 (Sobral Wuiff was co-main)

Lawler vs. Hendricks

1. 300,000 (co-main Woodley Condit)
2. 400,000 (co-main Pettis Melendez)

Edgar vs. Maynard

2. 260,000 buys (Stann Leben was co-main)
3. 225,000 buys (Aldo Florian was co-main)

Edgar vs. Henderson

1. 325,000 buys (Bader Rampage was co-main)
2. 190,000 buys (Cowboy Guillard was co-main)

Might have forgot some...

I was hoping to see a conclusion on whether remtches were successful from a viewership standpoint. I couldn't draw any real conclusions, but Edgar vs. Maynard/Hendrson might be an indication of distaste. But BJ's success may be an indication that a strong fanbase may overcome that distaste.

 

[blazerkor]

Randy v Chuck and Lawler v Hendricks were considerably higher. The fact is, DW and just the number 200 will make sure this one is bigger than the last. People are going to want to see if Conor can rebound. There is more interest right now in Nate than there ever has been. They will put 3-4 more extremely intriguing fights including at least one title fight on the PPV card. They'll put a bunch of good fights on the FS1 undercard to increase last minute impulse buys. They will sell out the new TMobile arena. This card will break the 2 million PPV mark.

 

[Luvhawky]

Yeah, I always see threads hating on rematches, but it seems the UFC has been mindful of when they are doing them to reduce the negative impact from that connotation.

 

[phatron]

Might have forgot some...
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Yeah...you forgot the big ones lol

Lesnar/Mir 1 - 600k
Lesnar/Mir 2 - 1.6 million

Sonnen/Silva 1 - 600k
Sonnen/Silva 2 - 925k

BJ/GSP1 - 300k
BJ/GSP2 - 925k

Hughes/GSP 1 - 40k
Hughes/GSP 2 - 500k
Hughes/GSP 3 - 650k

 

[Luvhawky]

Yeah...you forgot the big ones lol

Lesnar/Mir 1 - 600k
Lesnar/Mir 2 - 1.6 million

Sonnen/Silva 1 - 600k
Sonnen/Silva 2 - 925k

BJ/GSP1 - 300k
BJ/GSP2 - 925k

Hughes/GSP 1 - 40k
Hughes/GSP 2 - 500k
Hughes/GSP 3 - 650k

Holy shit, I really did forget the big ones. I remembered Sonnen Silva in my research but forgot to add it to the thread like a dumbass. Thanks for adding these. It seems rematches really do bring in a descent amount of viewers. Lesnar Mir 2 was UFC 100 if I remember corrrectly and Lesnar was a huge name in the community by then.

 

[danwillbeback]

didn't silva vs weidman 2 do a million buys?

 

[cade187]

Yeah...you forgot the big ones lol

Lesnar/Mir 1 - 600k
Lesnar/Mir 2 - 1.6 million

Sonnen/Silva 1 - 600k
Sonnen/Silva 2 - 925k

BJ/GSP1 - 300k
BJ/GSP2 - 925k

Hughes/GSP 1 - 40k
Hughes/GSP 2 - 500k
Hughes/GSP 3 - 650k

There is a lot of missing context in these numbers however.

 

[phatron]

There is a lot of missing context in these numbers however.

it seems that the trend is pretty clear that most rematches do better.

Ortiz/Liddell 1- 105k
Ortiz/Liddell 2 - 1 million

Silva/Weidman 1 - 550k
Silva/Weidman 2 - 1 million

 

[CashMoney1991]

But none of those fights are auto rematches except for Edgar penn and Edgar gray just because those two had controversial decisions the others had a great buildup where we were kept waiting and watched new fights before that rematch I forgot silva vs weidman 2 being an auto rematch but I actually agreed with it cus most ppl thought the first was a fluke plus silva was an extremely dominant champ

 

[Luvhawky]

But none of those fights are auto rematches except for Edgar penn and Edgar gray just because those two had controversial decisions the others had a great buildup where we were kept waiting and watched new fights before that rematch I forgot silva vs weidman 2 being an auto rematch but I actually agreed with it cus most ppl thought the first was a fluke plus silva was an extremely dominant champ

That's a great point on the "auto rematch". But even a couple of the "auto" did reasonably well.

 

[cade187]

it seems that the trend is pretty clear that most rematches do better.

Ortiz/Liddell 1- 105k
Ortiz/Liddell 2 - 1 million

Silva/Weidman 1 - 550k
Silva/Weidman 2 - 1 million

Silva Weidman is a good example, but when I say missing context I'm talking about the fact that events overall didn't sell as well in the time of Liddell-Ortiz I as they did in Liddell-Ortiz II. Also, Liddell-Ortiz I was not a title fight, and the rematch was. Those kind of things matter.

 

[phatron]

Silva Weidman is a good example, but when I say missing context I'm talking about the fact that events overall didn't sell as well in the time of Liddell-Ortiz I as they did in Liddell-Ortiz II. Also, Liddell-Ortiz I was not a title fight, and the rematch was. Those kind of things matter.

I would disagree, i dont think the titles matter. I think the original popularity of the fighter(s) is the main key, IE the "it" factor. Whether or not they have a title is not adding a millon buys....IE, frankie edgar. There are plenty of unpopular fighters that have titles.

 

[CashMoney1991]

That's a great point on the "auto rematch". But even a couple of the "auto" did reasonably well.

I think because those auto ones made sense Cain Werdum 2 wouldn't do well cus it doesn't make sense

 

[Queen B]

Yeah...you forgot the big ones lol

Lesnar/Mir 1 - 600k
Lesnar/Mir 2 - 1.6 million

Sonnen/Silva 1 - 600k
Sonnen/Silva 2 - 925k

BJ/GSP1 - 300k
BJ/GSP2 - 925k

Hughes/GSP 1 - 40k
Hughes/GSP 2 - 500k
Hughes/GSP 3 - 650k

Those werent instant rematches.

Each fighter had to go back to the drawing board and continue winning.

 

[NAS451]

Yeah...you forgot the big ones lol

Lesnar/Mir 1 - 600k
Lesnar/Mir 2 - 1.6 million

Sonnen/Silva 1 - 600k
Sonnen/Silva 2 - 925k

BJ/GSP1 - 300k
BJ/GSP2 - 925k

Hughes/GSP 1 - 40k
Hughes/GSP 2 - 500k
Hughes/GSP 3 - 650k

Holy shit doode! There were only 40k ppv of UFC 50 The WAR of '04?! (ps Lawler and GSP both lost of that card... AND Frank Trigg and Hughes won CRAY!)

 

[cade187]

I would disagree, i dont think the titles matter. I think the original popularity of the fighter(s) is the main key, IE the "it" factor. Whether or not they have a title is not adding a millon buys....IE, frankie edgar. There are plenty of unpopular fighters that have titles.

The title absolutely matters. Frankie as champion still wouldn't outdraw Conor not as a champion, but Frankie in a title fight would outdraw Frankie in a non-title fight. I don't see how anyone could possibly disagree with that. Frankie is a weak draw with or without a title though.

Lesnar-Mir is also missing a lot more context than just the fact that the first fight was a non-title fight. Their rematch also happened to be UFC 100. The number alone made the event significant, and the UFC stacked the card top to bottom, and had its two biggest stars fighting in title matches. It didn't get a million extra buys because it was a rematch..

 

[phatron]

but Frankie in a title fight would outdraw Frankie in a non-title fight. I don't see how anyone could possibly disagree with that. Frankie is a weak draw with or without a title though.

I can disagree with it because there is no proof. There is no ppv record of Edgar without a title. Any draw with a title on the line is likely due to the popularity of his opponent. Ie, Penn.

But you can look at someone like Anderson Silva and his PPV buys with Nick Diaz without a title on the line are higher than ALL of Andersons other ppvs with a title on the line except Belfort, Sonnen2, and Weidman2.....this shows that the title is not nearly as important as the popularity of the 2 fighters. Non-title bout beat 13 out of 16 ppvs with a title on the line.

You can also look at the most recent ppv Conor/Diaz as proof that titles don't really matter as much the popularity of the fighters involved. Doing an estimated 1.5 million buys without a title on the line.

 

[KillerElite]

Did a quick 1 page search and couldn't find anything on this...

BJ Penn vs. Edgar

1. 500,000 buys (co-main behind Silva Maia)
2. 535,000 buys (Couture Tony was co-main)

Randy vs. Chuck

1. 49,000 (Kimo Tank was co-main)
2. 280,000 (Sobral Wuiff was co-main)

Lawler vs. Hendricks

1. 300,000 (co-main Woodley Condit)
2. 400,000 (co-main Pettis Melendez)

Edgar vs. Maynard

2. 260,000 buys (Stann Leben was co-main)
3. 225,000 buys (Aldo Florian was co-main)

Edgar vs. Henderson

1. 325,000 buys (Bader Rampage was co-main)
2. 190,000 buys (Cowboy Guillard was co-main)

Might have forgot some...

I was hoping to see a conclusion on whether remtches were successful from a viewership standpoint. I couldn't draw any real conclusions, but Edgar vs. Maynard/Hendrson might be an indication of distaste. But BJ's success may be an indication that a strong fanbase may overcome that distaste.

Weidman/Silva 2 did 1 million buys.

 

[Automatic Man]

Conor vs Aldo did 1.2 million, and thats a more deserving sequel if we have to see one....