Referee's in MMA

[WolfPackHunter]

A job only the crazy folk can do because you get a couple hundred bucks and every call is judged by fans and experts alike.
Who are your top 5 refs at the moment. Mine are..
1) Jason Herzog
2) Marc Goddard
3) Moustache Beltran
4) Frank Trigg
5) Herb Dean

I understand guys like Dean have near 1000 fights so it's easier to find bad calls but I still rate him as he gets 95% right

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Josh Rosenthal and Mario Yamasaki are my favorites. And whatever happened to Yves Lavigne?!

 

[BEATDOWNS]

 

[humdizzle]

 

[Gio]

On that list, Goddard for me. Did more fair/good calls than bad ones imo.

 

[goOb]

Yamasaki is the only ref I need, If I have to have a ref. With Mazagatti a close 2nd.

 

[Ares Black]

Jason Herzog is the gold standard IMO

 

[Harlekin]

Jason Herzog is the gold standard IMO

+1
He recently had a bad call, but I can remember the least mistakes from him.

 

[Koala]

+1
He recently had a bad call, but I can remember the least mistakes from him.

He has a bad streak right now with the Canonnier stoppage and Zhang Weili vs Yan Xianoan. Even the Walker vs Ozdemir stoppage might be late

 

[MaulingMyClown]

I'd put Dan Miragliotta up there

 

[TempleoftheDog]

A job only the crazy folk can do because you get a couple hundred bucks and every call is judged by fans and experts alike.
Who are your top 5 refs at the moment. Mine are..
1) Jason Herzog
2) Marc Goddard
3) Moustache Beltran
4) Frank Trigg
5) Herb Dean

I understand guys like Dean have near 1000 fights so it's easier to find bad calls but I still rate him as he gets 95% right

They get a lot more than a couple hundred bucks for a night. Times that by ten in the UFC.

And Herb was good back in the day. But the bad performances are happening more regularly. I don’t care how good he was before. I hate how bad he is now.

Just my opinion.

 

[mahavishnunj]

 

[blaseblase]

A job only the crazy folk can do because you get a couple hundred bucks and every call is judged by fans and experts alike.
Who are your top 5 refs at the moment. Mine are..
1) Jason Herzog
2) Marc Goddard
3) Moustache Beltran
4) Frank Trigg
5) Herb Dean

I understand guys like Dean have near 1000 fights so it's easier to find bad calls but I still rate him as he gets 95% right

Lol at a couple hundred bucks. Herb makes 500k a year. Referees in indie promotions are making a couple hundred per fight.

 

[WolfPackHunter]

They get a lot more than a couple hundred bucks for a night. Times that by ten in the UFC.

And Herb was good back in the day. But the bad performances are happening more regularly. I don’t care how good he was before. I hate how bad he is now.

Just my opinion.

Well entitled to your opinion bro and how good he was just kept him above Mark Smith for time being. Is it the rule changes he is struggling with, Cannot write him off yet.

Do they really earn 4 figures a night even if not doing co or main?

 

[WolfPackHunter]

On that list, Goddard for me. Did more fair/good calls than bad ones imo.

Jason Herzog is the gold standard IMO

Both guys know what they are watching standing and on the feet, they know the fighters and know when a man's quietly asking for an out as opposed to someone in a bad position but is still game to fight, not hurt and waiting to explode up etc.

MMA fights deserve the very best referee in the cage especially when it's a Gaethje vs Max and both men have given everything

 

[don't ask]

1. Yuji Shamada
2. whoever red-carded Bhullar

 

[mjmj]

And whatever happened to Yves Lavigne?!

He's apparently is an "expert" on biker gangs and other organized crime. He's been on a couple TV shows about the Hells Angels and other biker gangs because he's wrote a couple books on the subject.

Yves Lavigne | Penguin Random House

Yves Lavigne is the author of the national bestsellers Hells Angels, Into the Abyss, and Hells Angels at War. He is also the author of Death Dealers, an expose of how gang drug wars are changing the face...

www.penguinrandomhouse.com

He looks different now too unless there's two Yves Lavignes from CA.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Well entitled to your opinion bro and how good he was just kept him above Mark Smith for time being. Is it the rule changes he is struggling with, Cannot write him off yet.

Do they really earn 4 figures a night even if not doing co or main?

Yes, they really do get paid that much. We’ve had threads about it every couple/few years. They aren’t common, so it would be easy to miss unless you’re in here everyday.

Just a very recent example..

UFC 304, ME.

Herb was out of position for the KD. And he started doing ring-around-the rosie. Instead of remaining still for just one second, to allow the whirling dervish in front of him to come around to face him.

He kept chasing in the direction the fighters were moving. So he was on the wrong side during the whole sequence. Herb tends to get too close to the action when he’s considering stopping a fight. He’s run into, or touched fighters many times without actually stopping a fight. His indecision is an issue, imo.

I hate controversy, especially in title fights. And I cringe everytime I find out Herb is doing a title fight. And I just hate it when fighters get screwed over by poor reffing.

The example I gave above is just a minor thing. It didn’t actually affect the fight. But, when a ref is out of position they can miss a tap, or flash KO.

I don’t expect refs to be perfect. But I have a level of competence that I think is acceptable. And many times I see unacceptable decisions/actions by the ref.

Just my opinion.

 

[El Fernas]

Mark Smith, Aljo vs Yan ref, that guy is one of the very few that actually tries to enforce the rules instead of just giving 20 "hard warnings" that mean nothing.

 

[jsbx45]

Very tough thankless job. I think all of the more frequent UFC guys (yeah Herb too) do a good job, or as good of a job as can be done. You're gonna miss some calls over time...