Reasons for Tillerson firing may have included his opposition to Saudi Arabian invasion of Qatar

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  1. Trotsky

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    Recently obtained reports of Tillerson's dealings with the Gulf states paints a story of a decent and unusually capable Tillerson being undercut by a boorish, stupid, and Saudi ball-sucking Trump, while the former tried to prevent further war and suffering and the latter cheered on, in the name of stopping terrorism, a massive humanitarian atrocity carried out by the world's greatest source of terrorism.

    We're now to the point that an unprecedentedly ineffective and incompetent Secretary of State is worthy of praise, just by virtue of the fact that he wasn't baldly manipulated by a fundamentalist-totalitarian foreign state - something that we cannot say about his former boss.



    THIRTEEN HOURS BEFORE Secretary of State Rex Tillerson learned from the presidential Twitter feed that he was being fired, he did something that President Donald Trump had been unwilling to do. Following a phone call with his British counterpart, Tillerson condemned a deadly nerve agent attack in the U.K., saying that he had “full confidence in the U.K.’s investigation and its assessment that Russia was likely responsible.”

    White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders had called the attack“reckless, indiscriminate, and irresponsible,” but stopped short of blaming Russia, leading numerous media outlets to speculate that Tillerson was fired for criticizing Russia.

    But in the months that followed his departure, press reports strongly suggested that the countries lobbying hardest for Tillerson’s removal were Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, both of which were frustrated by Tillerson’s attempts to mediate and end their blockade of Qatar. One report in the New York Times even suggested that the UAE ambassador to Washington knew that Tillerson would be forced out three months before he was fired in March.

    The Intercept has learned of a previously unreported episode that stoked the UAE and Saudi Arabia’s anger at Tillerson and that may have played a key role in his removal. In the summer of 2017, several months before the Gulf allies started pushing for his ouster, Tillerson intervened to stop a secret Saudi-led, UAE-backed plan to invade and essentially conquer Qatar, according to one current member of the U.S. intelligence community and two former State Department officials, all of whom declined to be named, citing the sensitivity of the matter.

    In the days and weeks after Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, and Bahrain cut diplomatic ties with Qatar and closed down their land, sea, and air borders with the country, Tillerson made a series of phone calls urging Saudi officials not to take military action against the country. The flurry of calls in June 2017 has been reported, but State Department and press accounts at the time described them as part of a broad-strokes effort to resolve tensions in the Gulf, not as an attempt by Tillerson to avert a Saudi-led military operation.

    Tillerson made a series of phone calls urging Saudi officials not to take military action against Qatar.
    In the calls, Tillerson, who dealt extensively with the Qatari government as the CEO of Exxon Mobil, urged Saudi King Salman, then-Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, and Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir not to attack Qatar or otherwise escalate hostilities, the sources told The Intercept. Tillerson also encouraged Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to call his counterparts in Saudi Arabia to explain the dangers of such an invasion. Al Udeid Air Base near Doha, Qatar’s capital city, is the forward headquarters of U.S. Central Command and home to some 10,000 American troops.

    Pressure from Tillerson caused Mohammed bin Salman, the de facto ruler of the country, to back down, concerned that the invasion would damage Saudi Arabia’s long-term relationship with the U.S. But Tillerson’s intervention enraged Mohammed bin Zayed, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi and effective ruler of that country, according to the U.S. intelligence official and a source close to the Emirati royal family, who declined to be identified, citing concerns about his safety.

    Later that June, Mohammed bin Salman would be named crown prince, leapfrogging over his cousin to become next in line for the throne after his elderly father. His ascension signaled his growing influence over the kingdom’s affairs.

    Qatari intelligence agents working inside Saudi Arabia discovered the plan in the early summer of 2017, according to the U.S. intelligence official. Tillerson acted after the Qatari government notified him and the U.S. embassy in Doha. Several months later, intelligence reporting by the U.S. and U.K. confirmed the existence of the plan.

    The plan, which was largely devised by the Saudi and UAE crown princes and was likely some weeks away from being implemented, involved Saudi ground troops crossing the land border into Qatar, and, with military support from the UAE, advancing roughly 70 miles toward Doha. Circumventing the U.S. air base, Saudi forces would then seize the capital.

    On June 20, State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert told reportersthat Tillerson had “more than 20 calls and meetings with Gulf and other regional and intermediate actors,” including three phone calls and two meetings with Jubeir. “The more time goes by, the more doubt is raised about the actions taken by Saudi Arabia and the UAE,” she said.

    A spokesperson for the State Department told The Intercept last week that “throughout the dispute, all parties have explicitly committed to not resort to violence or military action.” Tillerson, reached through a personal assistant, did not respond to interview requests.

    Pentagon spokesperson Lt. Cmdr. Rebecca Rebarich told The Intercept that although Mattis meets regularly with the secretary of state, the “details and frequency of those meetings are confidential.”

    “The Department of Defense has made clear that the persistent Gulf rift puts at risk mutual regional security priorities and has encouraged all parties seek resolution,” Rebarich said. “It is critical that the [Gulf Cooperation Council] recovers its cohesion as the proud Gulf nations return to mutual support through a peaceful resolution that provides for enhanced regional stability and prosperity.”

    Spokespeople for the Saudi and UAE embassies did not respond to multiple requests for comment. A spokesperson for the Qatari embassy in D.C. also did not respond to interview requests from The Intercept. None of the information in this story was provided by Qatari government officials or the country’s paid public relations consultants.

    THE INVASION PLAN raises questions about interventionist tendencies on the part of two of the U.S.’s closest allies and largest weapons clients. In recent years, both countries have demonstrated a willingness to use military force to reshape politics in the Gulf, intervening in Bahrain to suppress an Arab Spring uprising in 2011 and waging a three-year, U.S.-backed war that has devastated Yemen.

    Robert Malley, president and CEO of Crisis Group and a former top Middle East adviser to President Barack Obama, said that since the summer of 2017, Qatari officials have consistently told him that their country had been threatened with invasion.

    “There is little doubt that senior Qatari officials with whom I spoke were convinced — or at least acted as if they were convinced — that Saudi Arabia and the UAE had been planning a military attack on their country that was halted as a result of U.S. intervention,” Malley told The Intercept.

    Tillerson’s attempts to de-escalate the conflict in the Gulf diverged from the signals sent by the White House. Trump offered a full-throated public endorsement of the blockade, tweeting that “perhaps this will be the beginning of the end to the horror of terrorism.” As Tillerson called on the Gulf countries to lift their embargo, Trump told reporters that “the nation of Qatar, unfortunately, has historically been a funder of terrorism at a very high level.”

    According to one news report, Tillerson was frustrated with the White House for undercutting him, and his aides suspected that the line in Trump’s prepared Rose Garden remarks had been written by UAE Ambassador Yousef Al Otaiba, a powerful D.C. player who maintained “almost constant phone and email contact” with Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, according to Politico.

    “Senior Qatari officials with whom I spoke were convinced — or at least acted as if they were convinced — that Saudi Arabia and the UAE had been planning a military attack on their country.”
    At the time, Kushner was personally handling much of the administration’s diplomacy with the Gulf states, and the leaders of Saudi Arabia and the UAE were choosing to go through him instead of the U.S. defense or intelligence establishments. Kushner communicated directly with the crown princes of Saudi Arabia and the UAE using the encrypted messaging service WhatsApp.

    Some Gulf watchers speculate that the incentive for the planned invasion may have been partly financial. Saudi Arabia’s “cradle to grave” welfare system relies on high oil prices, which plummeted in 2014 and have not fully recovered. Since the current king came to power in 2015, the country has spent more than a third of its $737 billion in reserves, and last year, the Saudi economy entered a painful recession. In response, the government has looked for ways to raise money, including by selling shares in the state-owned oil company, Saudi Aramco.

    “It’s unsustainable,” said Bruce Riedel, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute and 30-year CIA officer, in a lecture last November. “In the three years since [King Salman] ascended to the throne, one third of Saudi Arabia’s reserves have already been spent. You don’t need to have an MBA from the Wharton school to figure out what that means six years from now.”

    If the Saudis had succeeded in seizing Doha, they would potentially have been able to gain access to the country’s $320 billion sovereign wealth fund. In November of last year, months after the plan collapsed, the Saudi crown prince rounded up and detained dozens of his relatives in the Ritz-Carlton Riyadh, forcing them to sign over billions in privately held assets. The government justified the detentions as a corruption crackdown, but it allowed the state to recoup billions in assets for government use.

    Beginning in the fall of 2017, the crown princes in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi began lobbying the White House for Tillerson’s removal, according to the source close to the Emirati royal family and another source who is close to the Saudi royal family.

    None of the current or former officials interviewed by The Intercept had direct insight into why Trump decided to fire Tillerson. But one source told The Intercept that the timing — a week before the Saudi crown prince arrived for a much-publicized visit to Washington — was significant. During that visit, MBS, as the crown prince is known, was set to discuss the Qatar crisis and future arms sales with the administration.

    Four of the sources interviewed by The Intercept also pointed to an ongoing campaign by the UAE to try to provoke Qatar into escalating the crisis. Qatar has continued to complain about violations of its airspace by UAE aircraft, detailing its accusations in a letter to the U.N. earlier this year.

    The UAE’s harassment of Qatar also includes crude public insults lodged by UAE leadership against the Qatari royal family. The jibes frequently emanate from the verified Twitter account of Hamad al Mazrouei, a high-level Emirati intelligence official and righthand man to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed. Mazrouei’s account frequently tweets sexually suggestive content directed at Mozah bint Nasser, the mother of the emir of Qatar. Just last week, Mazrouei tweeted a video of a man and woman – with Mazrouei and Sheikha Mozah’s faces photoshopped onto their bodies – doing a raunchy bump-and-grind.

    The content and audacity of Mazrouei’s tweets have led to speculation in Qatari media that the account is actually controlled by the crown prince of Abu Dhabi himself.


    https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/rex-tillerson-qatar-saudi-uae/
     
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    Intercept has been killing it lately.
     
  3. Trotsky

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    The back-biting op-eds on the Russia investigation by Greenwald can be tiresome. But, otherwise, their investigatory journalism has been stellar the past three years.
     
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    Yeah, I've been ignoring Greenwald's silly Russia/WikiLeaks shit for the last year or so.
     
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    on a sidenote, isn't Qatar winning that battle against SA?

    respect if so
     
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    I mean, winning is relative. But I've been impressive with their moxie.
     
  8. Black Helicopters

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    They're doing just fine. Saudi Arabia is completely ineffective. They failed to contain Iran, they're not effective in Yemen, I guess besides starving children, their kidnapping of that Lebanese politician backfired, and Qatar is doing fine politically and economically.

    I have my bets on anyone that is against SA
     
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    $100 bucks he votes liberal. We muslims are only cucks to God!

    Are you really shocked? It is to US advantage if qatar becomes a saudi puppet. Easier to have control of region. This is not morality olympicd.
     
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    I honestly wonder sometimes just how worthless SA and Israel would immediately become if their allowance was cut.
     
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    I don't know about this; Erdogan cut off any plans of a Saudi/UAE invasion in June of 2017:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...cusses-gulf-tensions-with-saudi-idUSKBN19D0CX

    Sending in small force as a tripwire to initiate a stronger Turkish military response in the event of an "incident".

    By the end of 2017, Turkey had close to a thousand troops stationed in Doha. Their base currently has the ability to house up to 5,000.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180314-qatar-signs-turkey-naval-military-base-agreement/

    Their new plan calls for building a naval base and deploying thousands of more troops to Qatar.

    Were Saudi/UAE actually seriously planning on enraging a NATO country critical to any plans for blunting Iranian influence in Syria and Iraq due to its geography? Or was this invasion chatter just psy-ops designed to instigate a coup?

    Speaking of Iran, Qatar and Iran jointly own and administer the largest known natural gas field in the world, the South Pars/North Dome gas field. Guess who immediately airlifted supplies in response to the blockade?

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/11/middleeast/iran-qatar-planes-food/index.html

    Saudi/UAE were already cockblocked by Turkey and Iran. The fuck was Tillerson gonna do about it?
     
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    Israel is extremely effective politically, they made our president back out of the Iran deal and generally get to use us. They also are allies with Sunni states like SA.

    They also have a great military and are innovators in many ways so it’s not like they’re just parasites.

    Saudi Arabia on the other hand will revert to the Stone Age once oil dries out because they’re horribly incompetent
     
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    Can you really blame him though?
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    Definitely would.
     
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    great military others have paid for. Isreal is built on manipulation of politics in the biggest countries in the world. Look at whats happening in UK with the Labour party and Corbyn. Because he has shown to be sympathetic to Palestine they are doing a media campaign where every day he is accused of anti semitsm. The moment they stop manipulating and scheming they are useless
     
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    This. The main thing the Saudis have been good at is negotiating a modus vivendi with the reigning hegemonic power, first the British then the US, which has worked well so far but it seems to me a flimsy basis for prosperity and safety.
     
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    I was basing that largely off the recent Visual Politik En video (lowkey my favorite YT channel for stuff like that, that and Caspian Report), but I generally check the sources and they seem to be pretty legit
     
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    Nobel peace prize
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    also, Israel's economy is MUCH more developed and diversified than that of Saudi Arabia, theoretically they'd be allright w/o the US backing...Yes they get funding from us, but they also develop high tech equipment (they literally use the Reagan Star Wars system pretty effectively for instance), Counter Rocket Artillery Mortar systems that are arguably better than the US Military's (the Iron Dome systems), and their troops are highly trained.

    Now would they be as ballsy with their military action, settling, etc...w/o the US and UK backing? no, I don't think so.
     

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