Reaplacing Judo/Boxe and Wrestling with BJJ/MMA and NOGI at Olympic Games?

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Olympic Sports are suffering a long crisis in term of "numbers". Every year there are less young boys attracted by Judo, Boxe and Wrestling while, on the other side, BJJ is the most growing Combat Sport in the World and MMA bring more people to train.
BJJ is becoming very popular and strong in Eastern Countries too (Russia, Ukraine, Romania, etc)
What would happen if Judo, Boxe and Wrestling woul be replaced by BJJ, NOGI BJJ (or Grappling) and MMA at the Olympic Games?
 
They should add them and not remove anything. They already made a gigantual fuck-up by removing wrestling for a while, the oldest sport. Olympics shouldn't be about numbers, as those disciplines being showcased in the Olympics give a boost to those sports. Removing them cripples them more, it's bad for combat sports. But you can always add more to make those sports more popular, and BJJ is being pushed for the 2024 games.
 
CIO has a limited number of sports. You can't add all the sports you want. Their policy is adding sports that have followers, that are developed worldwide and that attract young people.
This is why they have added videogames (not a sport) and removed wrestling for a while.
Big sports attract sponsors, small sports, no. Can be considered sad, but this is the way it is.
Olympic Games are not a NON profit agency, but they make business
 
CIO has a limited number of sports. You can't add all the sports you want. Their policy is adding sports that have followers, that are developed worldwide and that attract young people.
This is why they have added videogames (not a sport) and removed wrestling for a while.
Big sports attract sponsors, small sports, no. Can be considered sad, but this is the way it is.
Olympic Games are not a NON profit agency, but they make business

While a lot of that is true (and sad) vids are on the agenda like JJ. I'd bet JJ wins that race. They still have curling in there and the boom is long over. Olympics give it a boost. So it's a balance.

If we're talking about profit only, removing older sports like wrestling and Judo is counterproductive, as those sports won't bounce back when their Olympic programs get shut down. Wrestling made rule adaptations because of this.
 
Removing Wrestling from the Olympics is idiotic, i would like if they added BJJ or Grappling though.
 
IOC is not about sentiments or history. It is all about money, which comes from big numbers of people doing that sport
 
They should just add Submission Grappling in general.
 
I really do like BJJ and watching it live is great but watching it on TV is often like an animal docu about sloths on valium. The absolute elite can have great fights or even with them one boring stalemate.

Its just not TV Viewer friendly but will continue to grow because its a fantastic ma.
 
They should add MMA or sambo and not remove any other combat sport.
 
I don't think there's any real system in place that would make for a good platform for allowing any of those sports into the Olympics. When it comes to sports built around the martial arts-- literally around fighting, meaning you're risking getting a bad concussion-- and it's in the amateur spectrum of the sport (meaning you're not getting paid to compete, you're just doing it out of passion), there has to be a middleground between full-fledged competition and fundamental-based competition. That's the reason amateur boxing looks so much different from professional boxing, and why pro boxers wouldn't even be able to win Olympic-level amateur boxing matches [rules and scoring are so different], and why Olympic Taekwondo and Karate are different from kickboxing. The rules have to be built around different things since they're not competing as professional martial artists.

If you watch more amateur fights and submission grappling matches, there's a pretty quick realization: there is no middleground like that. No amateur MMA system actually provides a good baseline for preparing your skills and graduating to professional levels that would allow for something like acceptance into the Olympics. Amateur fights are basically just shorter pro fights that you don't get paid for. If it wasn't for the three-minute rounds, you wouldn't have thought there was anything different about Cody Garbrandt's amateur knockout loss from his professional knockout loss, and that's what most amateur matches fall under. Malaysian Invasion has a great amateur system, but you watch their fights and you just go, "So it's a full fight, they're just wearing shinguards?"
The closest thing to having the kind of idyllic system needed for the Olympics is Shooto with their D-class and C-class amateur matches, but nobody who thinks "MMA at the Olympics" actually thinks about something like D-class Shooto matches. They're thinking something like, "Holy shit, it would be cool to watch Conor Mcgregor knock somebody the fuck out at the Olympics and then stand on top of the Olympic cage and do a backflip!"
And submission grappling can't even come to a consensus about what the ruleset should be-- a lot of people hate IBJJF rules, and you can't have "matches are 15 minutes, it's a draw without a submission" rules in the Olympics. If the sport of submission grappling itself can't come to a consensus, how is it supposed to get accepted into the Olympics?

Combat wrestling is the only real form of submission grappling I've seen that could be viewed as an acceptable Olympic sport, but nobody wants combat wrestling in the Olympics...
 
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Olympic Sports are suffering a long crisis in term of "numbers". Every year there are less young boys attracted by Judo, Boxe and Wrestling while, on the other side, BJJ is the most growing Combat Sport in the World and MMA bring more people to train.
BJJ is becoming very popular and strong in Eastern Countries too (Russia, Ukraine, Romania, etc)
What would happen if Judo, Boxe and Wrestling woul be replaced by BJJ, NOGI BJJ (or Grappling) and MMA at the Olympic Games?

First MMA is a hybrid sport/type of competition, which means there is not a unified skillset for the athletes to equally compete in, which is required for inclusion in the Olympics. Fighter A and Fighter B may not be using the same toolbox, and it becomes more about the skills they trained, rather than the athlete themselves. Additionally, there is a serious lack of an amateur system, which is also required for the Olympics. So MMA will never be in the Olympics.

Its very hard to include anything else on your list, because the three phases of combat are already represented - Boxing/TKD = Standup; Judo = Takedown; Amateur Wrestling = Ground. Now they might not ideally represent everything, but you would need a really strong case to replace them.
 
No.

MMA will not be an Olympic event in my lifetime, and I plan on living at least another 50 years.
 
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