Really? St-pierre has not finished a guy since 2009?

[Juzie]

Or in Georges case:

The good fighters first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then wait 25 minutes for the judges to declare him the winner.

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Hey Remember when Sonnen didn't wanna wait for the judges to give him the decision? I know I do.

 

[magigong]

It started the same, with chael completely dominating the first round until silva started grabbing shorts, but lets not get into that.

Besides the headkick, condit was outclassed. Chael beat silva 5.5 rounds outta 7.

too bad that rounds won mean shit when you are finished, which by the way is the ultimate victory. when gsp wins his opponents still have fight in them, when anderson wins his opponents have no fight left in them, they flat out give up or are unconcious. so how can anyone say decisioning someone is more impressive than finishing.

 

[FlyingSpladle]

If anything his opponents should be to blame. Whenever an opponent brings it to GSP, such as condit and Fitch, it becomes an awesome fight. GSP only goes as hard as his opponents make him.

this is real talk^. Is Joe Lauzon in p4p discussion because he finishes every fight? is Condit? Use your brain TS

 

[facedancer]

He's winning. It's not always exciting but he's winning. I respect his abilities, but I feel he's fully capable of finishing B fighters like Dan Hardy who never should have been fighting for the title in the first place. Winning a decision bc it's risk averse to do so isn't my cup o tea, but you can't argue with the results.

 

[Juzie]

Brock Lesnar is the GOAT imo only 1 of his fights ever went to a decision and that guy looked like a corpse by the end of it.

 

[scruffyronin]

 

[velvet goldmine]

Yes!!! I was thinking the same thing.

 

[rtodd]

If it's so easy to finish top rank fighters in the Welterweight class in the UFC why aren't all you GSP nay sayers in there doing it?

 

[Emjay]

well it's sure easier for other fighters! lol

...and who aren't considered, "pound-for-pound".

It'd be different if GSP was the ONLY guy not finishing guys.

P4P has nothing to do with finishes. This is a competition. When was the last time GSP lost?

 

[ThunderStruck]

But,but...it's because he's fighting the best guys out there like Hardy,Shields...
He only finished back then when he was fighting 5 ft 2 LW's like Penn,Sherk and Serra.

Laugh all you want at Jake Shields, he still dominated Anderson Silva's best win (Hendo).

 

[wisdom blows]

GSP is a great fighter, but can't finish a can of soda.

 

[velvet goldmine]

Brock Lesnar is the GOAT imo only 1 of his fights ever went to a decision and that guy looked like a corpse by the end of it.

Please, let this be a joke...

 

[Karateka1]

But his opponents are impossible to finish.

 

[MMAn87]

And still is a fucking millionaire that doesn't give two shits and fuck what you think

 

[velvet goldmine]

GSP is a great fighter, but can't finish a can of soda.

You get in the cage with him, badass!

 

[Akira Yuki]

If it's so easy to finish top rank fighters in the Welterweight class in the UFC why aren't all you GSP nay sayers in there doing it?

This is quite telling...

Georges fans now have no higher expectation of Georges finishing a fight than they do your average joe on sherdog doing the same thing.

Apparently, Georges shouldn't be held to a higher standard than that.

 

[90 50]

almost all of Lebens wins are finishes does that make him a P4P great?

No, but it's why i'm always more excited when a leben fight is coming up then a gsp fight.

Actually f gsp, i've lost all hope. I'm sick of watching him lay off on people, he has had numerous opponents in trouble on the feet that if he would have kept on with the striking he would have eneded their shit, instead he saves them with a takedown and keeps the fight going.

I think the bastard could ened any ww fight at anytime , but doesn't becasue he wants to keep padding stats for his legacy, ie most rounds won , most shots landed.

Etc, when you finish people before the 25 minutes is up you don't have as much time to keep adding to his stats.

Fing prick, he keeps his opponents conscious on purpose, tired of watching that shit.

 

[velvet goldmine]

But his opponents are impossible to finish.

Where's Hughes and Penn? Oh..that's right... PFP greats...it hurts your argument.

 

[FLomega]

making a guy useless by completely neutralizing them for 5 rounds can sometimes be a better indicator of skill

i hate this logic. there's plenty of ways to "neutralize" a fighter that honestly don't take that much skill. if i grab you, hold you, and don't let go for any reason, there's not much you can do. especially if i'm on top of you and i'm not striking, passing, or doing anything that could create space for any kind of escape or reversal.

not saying this is what gsp is doing, as he's obviously 1 of the top p4p guys ever. i DO think he should be finishing though. he at least needs to do more damage. neutralizing your opponent is not a fight, it's a defense mechanism

 

[IDL]

but can you ever, "put yourself beyond the possibility of defeat"? especially in an mma fight?

that sounds unreasonable to me. at a certain point, you have to take risks in order to finish. it's a risk, yes...but it's the risk that's needed to finish.

Of course there is always risk, just as there is in war (to stick with the Tzu concept)

You could argue that finishing your opponent in the first round is much less risky than fighting for 25 minutes and I am sure GSP would do that if the opportunity presented itself without breaking from dicipline (thus assuming significant risk of loss)

I think someone like Silva has a style and strength that lends itself toward finishing and thus it is more risky for him if he was to fight like GSP does. A big reason he can win consistently is because of his ability to finish. Otherwise, he loses more rounds and would have lost.

Both fighters take paths to victory in accordance to their strengths and both are very good at it.