Realistic knife defense that actually works - my new video.

[KnifeDefenceIsrael]

Hi. My new knife defense video:


In the past I have already posted here a knife defense video. The thread:

Realistic knife defence against resistance. Combat sports based.

My instructor saw a study of several hundred knife attacks, he said in not one of them did the attacker switch the knife to the other hand during the attack. Assume it could happen but probably not worth training for. In a karate school, the instructor used magic markers for knife defense. The...

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The video was even shared by the Official page of the Russian Combat Sambo Federation.



In spite of that, there were problems with the techniques shown in the video which prevented me from implementing them against an equal opponent.
Mainly:
1) I found it hard to catch the knife holding arm of an equal opponent which goes 100%.
2) The old video focused on The Arm Bar and the Kimura. I came to the conclusion that against an equal opponent you rarely get these submissions fast enough.
As is also evident by real MMA fights.

The main idea which is shown in the new video tries to address these issues against a "neutral grip" stab.

Try it against resistance and tell me what you think. I'm here for critique and improvement ideas. Especially I'm lookin for solutions against an "Ice pick grip" stabs that are better than what was shown on the older video on my YOUTUBE channel. It's the most common grip during Terror attacks in Israel. In the future I'll make a video of many real 100% fights against fake knife wielding opponents (not like in the old video) with protective equipment, and against many different opponent. I'll add to the video and to the testing what will be suggested here - If it works.

 

[TheMaster]

Hi. My new knife defense video:


In the past I have already posted here a knife defense video. The thread:

Realistic knife defence against resistance. Combat sports based.

My instructor saw a study of several hundred knife attacks, he said in not one of them did the attacker switch the knife to the other hand during the attack. Assume it could happen but probably not worth training for. In a karate school, the instructor used magic markers for knife defense. The...

forums.sherdog.com

The video was even shared by the Official page of the Russian Combat Sambo Federation.

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In spite of that, there were problems with the techniques shown in the video which prevented me from implementing them against an equal opponent.
Mainly:
1) I found it hard to catch the knife holding arm of an equal opponent which goes 100%.
2) The old video focused on The Arm Bar and the Kimura. I came to the conclusion that against an equal opponent you rarely get these submissions fast enough.
As is also evident by real MMA fights.

The main idea which is shown in the new video tries to address these issues against a "neutral grip" stab.

Try it against resistance and tell me what you think. I'm here for critique and improvement ideas. Especially I'm lookin for solutions against an "Ice pick grip" stabs that are better than what was shown on the older video on my YOUTUBE channel. It's the most common grip during Terror attacks in Israel. In the future I'll make a video of many real 100% fights against fake knife wielding opponents (not like in the old video) with protective equipment, and against many different opponent. I'll add to the video and to the testing what will be suggested here - If it works.

Sorry to break the news to you, but this is mainly bs as you found with your last video. You will most likely get maimed or killed trying this. You have a small chance yes, but there's too many variables and uncertainties especially as you would almost certainly get cut anyway which would significantly change the dynamics depending how bad that was.

You need to get yourself out of there against a knife. If there is really no other option, some kind of equalizer will help. Having a stick or baton of some form would significantly improve your chances.

For unarmed, if I had no recourse I would try to either kick if there was range - stomp kick the knee or groin while covering the upper area. I have heard of some advocating a kick to the knife hand but this seems risky.
If it was closer then I would try to cover or grab the knife arm while applying a disabling strike with the other, like a throat strike. All of this is said however somewhat speculatively and in no way as an idea that one should or can be likley to defend against a knife, and not to change the general advise to escape or get some type of equalizer yourself if you cannot get out of there for whatever reason.

 

[Dobymick]

There are only 2 defense techniques against a knife

1- You pull out a gun and blast them in the face

2- You run

 

[KnifeDefenceIsrael]

Few hours after this video was uploaded, in a knife terror attack which happened 10 minutes of walking from my home, 2 Israelis were killed and few more were injured. R.I.P.
Unfortunately, all the people who died during knife terror attacks didn't manage to run away/ were around their kids etc.
Obviously, trying to defend against a knife is only a last resort.

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

There are only 2 defense techniques against a knife

1- You pull out a gun and blast them in the face

2- You run

If you are cornered or don't have time to run, you can't just stand there and eat the knife. Better to train to do something than just assume you'll always be able to run. I mean, it might even be just a quick anything, just to save yourself and get just enough space to run and your clear.

 

[oldshadow]

Being honest it might work if the guy with the knife is untrained and uncommitted to real harm.

If they have training, well decent training you are fucked without a weapon of your own. So carry one or as a lot resort pickup one where you are.

If you must then get control of the knife arm first and foremost. If possible then turn the knife back on them. Don't try to take it away just redirect it back into them and stick it in to the hilt and hold it there until they are no longer a threat.

 

[Rob Battisti]

They had that great YouTube series of MA guys who taught defense. They didn’t knife drill and every single one “died” without fail.

 

[DoctorTaco]

They had that great YouTube series of MA guys who taught defense. They didn’t knife drill and every single one “died” without fail.

Ultimate self defense challenge or something. Really cool series and very eye opening

 

[Pizza Werewolf]

Do you just pull out a gun and negate all the previous steps in a future video?
Only thing this is gonna work at is getting people killed m

 

[SandisLL]

Do you just pull out a gun and negate all the previous steps in a future video?
Only thing this is gonna work at is getting people killed m

There are situations when your CCW might not help. You need to get this from operative holster ....before might use this ... and sometimes situations are when you don't have legal rights to threat opponent with firearm.

So if you are concerned about daTechStreetZ, you should prepare for close range unarmed fight by using grappling and striking in stand-up mode from close range.

While training provided by police special tasks units or military ( if normal instructor ) might help against some 5-8 most effective attack methods .. while in no case this will ....help against daTechStreetz stuff....nor against real knifefighter... majority of these are pupps....

 

[SandisLL]

I don't think that majority of these posters does need any skills.
For example on sherdog I today had to taste real internet combat skills : someone didn't had liked post about AI and outcome was pushing report buttons and e - mails and PMs for admins and mods. It isn't IT forum and I might agree that post was too cocky but in no case offensive...

If sherdog really does want to remain combat sport fans forum ....they does need to start to think how to manage this .......

 

[Ardaric]

If you have time to do so wrap something like a shirt, coat or towell around your off hand arm and hold it out in front of you. Even a couple of layers of fabric will protect fairely well from something light like a knife and the trailing part underneath can snag the tip from thrusts. Then ideally hit them with something in your dominant hand. This was also recomended as a defence against animals.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Ultimate self defense challenge or something. Really cool series and very eye opening

Ultimately, nothing works and just run away

 

[pugilistico]

Ultimate self defense challenge or something. Really cool series and very eye opening

The one thing that stood out to me is the episode where they are trapped in a room with a guy with a "knife" (a marker) and see how long they can defend themselves. There's one scenario where they have obstacle between them and for some reason none of the guys thought to pick up the obstacle and try to use it as a shield or weapon.

I also didn't think using a marker is as realistic. Since any mark on you is considered a cut, the "knife holder" has even more of an advantage. But in real life the size of the knife would factor in. A weapon as small as a marker is less likely to be able to penetrate deep enough to cause fatal wounds, but also make it harder for the opponent grab as well.

 

[DoctorTaco]

The one thing that stood out to me is the episode where they are trapped in a room with a guy with a "knife" (a marker) and see how long they can defend themselves. There's one scenario where they have obstacle between them and for some reason none of the guys thought to pick up the obstacle and try to use it as a shield or weapon.

I also didn't think using a marker is as realistic. Since any mark on you is considered a cut, the "knife holder" has even more of an advantage. But in real life the size of the knife would factor in. A weapon as small as a marker is less likely to be able to penetrate deep enough to cause fatal wounds, but also make it harder for the opponent grab as well.

I had the same thought about the obstacle when I watched it

 

[pugilistico]

I had the same thought about the obstacle when I watched it

I thought the big guy, Seth(?), could pick it up, use his size and strength to pin the other guy with it against a corner and try to run out the clock.

In any scenario where my opponent has a knife, I would think to pick up an object. Anything would be better than nothing probably.

Just an aside, but I don't know if any of you guys heard about these series of knife attacks from lunatics in Korea some years ago. In one case, this guy started stabbing random people in the street and a guy whos a hapkido master or something hit the knife guy with a flying side kick and beat him down, and apprehended him until the cops arrived. So I guess it's not impossible. Part of it was caught on camera and there were witnesses so we know it's not bullshit.

 

[listrahtes]

Hi. My new knife defense video:


In the past I have already posted here a knife defense video. The thread:

Realistic knife defence against resistance. Combat sports based.

My instructor saw a study of several hundred knife attacks, he said in not one of them did the attacker switch the knife to the other hand during the attack. Assume it could happen but probably not worth training for. In a karate school, the instructor used magic markers for knife defense. The...

forums.sherdog.com

The video was even shared by the Official page of the Russian Combat Sambo Federation.

View attachment 1056207

In spite of that, there were problems with the techniques shown in the video which prevented me from implementing them against an equal opponent.
Mainly:
1) I found it hard to catch the knife holding arm of an equal opponent which goes 100%.
2) The old video focused on The Arm Bar and the Kimura. I came to the conclusion that against an equal opponent you rarely get these submissions fast enough.
As is also evident by real MMA fights.

The main idea which is shown in the new video tries to address these issues against a "neutral grip" stab.

Try it against resistance and tell me what you think. I'm here for critique and improvement ideas. Especially I'm lookin for solutions against an "Ice pick grip" stabs that are better than what was shown on the older video on my YOUTUBE channel. It's the most common grip during Terror attacks in Israel. In the future I'll make a video of many real 100% fights against fake knife wielding opponents (not like in the old video) with protective equipment, and against many different opponent. I'll add to the video and to the testing what will be suggested here - If it works.

I did knife and sword training years ago. The way you go over it will never work if the opponent is not a complete moron. Trying to enter the clinch is absolute deadly if the other one even has a little bit of awareness. A knife thrust is much much faster than all your movements you try to get in

All the holds, redirection stuff does NOT work. Only way I see is putting anything like your jacket on your lead hand and try to deflect as long until you can get away or if thats not an option go full in with a tackle / attack that will instantly take the attacker out (a slam on concrete will do that) but accept that you will quite possible get knifed.

Try the philipine way in Kali with a marker at a prop knife . Its a good measure to realize how friggin often you get knifed while doing your stuff.

 

[tasteslikechicken]

The one thing that stood out to me is the episode where they are trapped in a room with a guy with a "knife" (a marker) and see how long they can defend themselves. There's one scenario where they have obstacle between them and for some reason none of the guys thought to pick up the obstacle and try to use it as a shield or weapon.

I also didn't think using a marker is as realistic. Since any mark on you is considered a cut, the "knife holder" has even more of an advantage. But in real life the size of the knife would factor in. A weapon as small as a marker is less likely to be able to penetrate deep enough to cause fatal wounds, but also make it harder for the opponent grab as well.

That kinda implies grabbing the knife. Not something I would recommend.

 

[pugilistico]

That kinda implies grabbing the knife. Not something I would recommend.

I would imagine not a the best idea but in the show, there were situations where the knife guy and contestants would end up grappling and the contestants would try to grab the knife but could not because the marker was too small. In these scenarios I would imagine grabbing the knife is something you'd have to resort to.

 

[BearVictim]

When I was a minor I saw two people get into a fist fight that escalated to one of them stabbing the other over 10 times.

Your best line of defense is smith and Wesson or trying to run away from a blade, it's not worth be opened up.