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realistic grappling for self defense on the street - bjj vs wrestling

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Hey guys, I dont really see myself stepping into a cage.

The main reason I like to do martial arts is for self defense.

That being said, I think I want to stop emphasizing so much on BJJ. I like BJJ and everything, but I really dont see myself rolling around for 5 minutes on the ground looking for a submission. Its not that I dont want to keep training BJJ, its just that I feel that wrestling might me a little more practical for self defense.

I say this because I feel like if I used grappling in a street fight, the biggest objective would be to take the guy down and get on top of him to make sure that he cant throw powerful KO strikes to my face.

I feel like in a bar fight (which is probably the only place Im going to ever get into a street fight - not that I go pick fights AT ALL) its going to get broken up within 30 seconds anyway so why not just take ur guy down and hold him maybe strike or throw on a quick choke.


I mean common, i really dont see myself toe holding or omoplating somebody in a street fight. Some drunk guy with alot of adrenaline is not gonna tap out to that shit. sure he might get his shit broken but hes gonna smash my face while i try to armbar him from guard.

I still want to practice BJJ but I really think wrestling is going to be more realistic when it comes to grappling in a street fight:

basically the biggest goal is to take the guy down.

ANy thoughts that you guys may have?
 
knucklehead1 said:
I still want to practice BJJ but I really think wrestling is going to be more realistic when it comes to grappling in a street fight:

basically the biggest goal is to take the guy down.

ANy thoughts that you guys may have?
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50% of the time, you train top position in BJJ.

Some of the clubs do emphasis on top position more than others i.e the Carlson boys.

It is about getting out of BJJ what you bring in thte training as well.

No one ever gonna force to be a guard puller if it is not your style.
 
knucklehead1 said:
...I feel like in a bar fight (which is probably the only place Im going to ever get into a street fight - not that I go pick fights AT ALL) its going to get broken up within 30 seconds anyway so why not just take ur guy down and hold him maybe strike or throw on a quick choke....

ANy thoughts that you guys may have?
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Wrestlers are pretty much uncontested in their takedowns. However, if you're just worried about tossing drunks around I think you'd get a much better LULZ factor out of becoming a proficient judo-ka and throwing drunks around.

Plus, if you're worried about bar fights, the last place you want to be is on the ground. So, it probably wouldn't be wise to be attempting triangles while a bunch of drunken idiots are brawling over your head and potentially breaking glass all over the floor.

I'd honestly just recommend staying away from the bars if you're concerned about getting hurt. Most people get in fights in that type of environment, and that's when it's flat out dangerous. Drunken idiots, some with knifes, often in groups. It's just stupid.
 
should probably just learn to box, if you're lookin to end a fight in a bar and all...
 
"I feel like in a bar fight (which is probably the only place Im going to ever get into a street fight - not that I go pick fights AT ALL) its going to get broken up within 30 seconds anyway so why not just take ur guy down and hold him maybe strike or throw on a quick choke."

You know there is this thing called Judo...
 
i think your goal in a street fight when it goes to the gound (expecially in a bar!) is to get to your feet because you never know when one of his 'boys' is going to stick the boot in and stamp on your face

that being said if its a one on one and there is only two people (unlikely as the only reason fights happen is to save face infront of friends) and you get an armbar and snap his arm i doubt any normal guy no matter how drunk will still fight.
 
Hey guys im the thread starter.

Yes of course - I completely agree that striking is much more practical and efficient in street fighting.

I would generally want to avoid grappling but when it comes down to it I was wondering which is more effective.

Its just that I dont have time to train all the time so If I were to pick 2 arts I would go with striking and.... im leaning towards a takedown art rather then bjj.

any thoughts?
 
knucklehead1 said:
Hey guys im the thread starter.

Yes of course - I completely agree that striking is much more practical and efficient in street fighting.

I would generally want to avoid grappling but when it comes down to it I was wondering which is more effective.

Its just that I dont have time to train all the time so If I were to pick 2 arts I would go with striking and.... im leaning towards a takedown art rather then bjj.

any thoughts?
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If you're learning striking AND grappling, then I think BJJ would be a good option. Striking will help you stay on your feet, but BJJ will give you takedowns that are more than sufficient for your average "bar" situation. In addition, I think it's pretty well considered to be a fantastic art for learning to control the ground situation, especially when you end up in inferior positioning (which can happen in a bar situation where you may not see the attack coming).

If you were looking for ONLY takedown type training without any other additional training and your arena was a bar, I'd do Judo. Throwing drunks = comedy gold?

Regarding "street fighting" in general, I do think BJJ is a very viable option. Very often fights develop in random places. Parking lots, grocery stores, etc. And they're often 1 on 1. And, grappling is great for one on one.
 
BJJ is better because you get the stand up, the Judo, some wrestling takedowns, more of a position importance grappling system and the subs.
 
what happens if the fight is broken, and the guy goes outside and waits for you???

If thats your state of mind, you might be getting it all wrong... bodybuilding is your thing...
 
Nothing wrong with wrestling.

I recognized the lack of take down training in BJJ, so I added judo. I just like it more....but that's a personal thing.

I like the combination though of take downs and understanding ground work that taking both gives to me.
 
knucklehead1 said:
Hey guys im the thread starter.

Yes of course - I completely agree that striking is much more practical and efficient in street fighting.

I would generally want to avoid grappling but when it comes down to it I was wondering which is more effective.

Its just that I dont have time to train all the time so If I were to pick 2 arts I would go with striking and.... im leaning towards a takedown art rather then bjj.

any thoughts?
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Go Watch UFC 1, 2, 3 & 4 & come back & give your thoughts. This has all already been proven. Wrestling is good & all but it only allows you to dictate where the fight goes. What if you fight someone who is way bigger & stronger than you & you can't get him on his back? BJJ allows you to fight on top & bottom while still defending yourself.

Also in regards to wrestling, what if you fight someone that is just tough as nails & you can't finish them & they eventually get back up & you tired yourself out by throwing so many punches while in mount or their guard. In BJJ, you learn how to end fights with chokes which will end the fight 100% or you can break their stuff off & they will be even weaker in the remaining part of the fight then they started.
 
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Go Watch UFC 1, 2, 3 & 4 & come back & give your thoughts. This has all already been proven. Wrestling is good & all but it only allows you to dictate where the fight goes. What if you fight someone who is way bigger & stronger than you & you can't get him on his back? BJJ allows you to fight on top & bottom while still defending yourself.

Also in regards to wrestling, what if you fight someone that is just tough as nails...
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see my signature for my response.ufc does not equal a street fight.a concrete floor changes alot.
take a suplex from a good wrestler on concrete then try and work foe a sub it wont be easy while your asleep.
i train judo,bjj,and occasionally wrestling.of the 3 i'd choose judo fight ending throws,and enough ground work to tool your average drunken untrained frat boy.the ground game in judo lends itseld wwll to self defence as if your gonna go for a sub you have to explode in to it and get it straight away.
i'd pick judo,between the other 2 the
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God dont want to sound like a douche but I probably will anyway. In my mid 20's I loved the bar/club scene and yes I got involved in a few scraps, not many but enough I guess.

Side suplex, trips and headlocks were all pretty much fight enders. Granted that was years ago and I dont know if the TUF generation are any "tougher" on the ground.


Wrestling is good & all but it only allows you to dictate where the fight goes.
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This is a pretty HUGE edge IF you use this ability wisely!
 
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Do both. Or BJJ and judo. Or all three.

Also, it wouldn't hurt to adapt your BJJ (and overall grappling) game to focus on stuff that is valuable in self defense. Work on your takedowns, work on high percentage sweeps, work on standing up in base, work on knee on belly, work on the RNC, the triangle, the guillotine, the Kimura from top side and other tried-and-true subs that utilize realistic positioning and have a strong finishing potential in a real fight.

Also, the standing RNC is vastly underrated in self defense.
 
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