Reach doesn't win fights, here's proof

We know it doesn't win fights by itself but it is a clear advantage.
 
George Roop certainly provides further proof. His record is 15-13-1

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Killme said:
Sure... id say so.
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Cool. It's most likely going to be less of a problem for anyone shorter than him, even if they have the same type of frame, am I correct?
 
Dragon Punch said:
George Roop certainly provides further proof. His record is 15-13-1

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To be fair, size/length and will to fight are almost all Roop's got, and his record reflects that. W/o the height/length I'd wager Roop's record looks more like 5-23-1.
 
So if Jon Jones fought his clone but his clone had a shorter reach the longer Jon Jones wouldn't have an advantage?

Of course having a reach is an advantage if you know how to use it...struve fights like someone a foot shorter than him.
 
Reach is an advantage only when you are skilled enough to know how to use it. It's something you can't teach. Struve's reach isn't anything extraordinary considering his height. Jones and McGoat are the perfect examples on how to use a reach advantage to its fullest potential.
 
Wow that's some reach he's got. Could stand outside the cage and slap guys around.
 
Which Doctor said:
Cool. It's most likely going to be less of a problem for anyone shorter than him, even if they have the same type of frame, am I correct?
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Yeah... i think some guys are just straight too tall for their weight, you are going to be severly out muscled if you are built like Roop at bw or Grove at mw.
 
Killme said:
Yeah... i think some guys are just straight too tall for their weight, you are going to be severly out muscled if you are built like Roop at bw or Grove at mw.
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Roger that. On the flipside what do you think are the advantages that those guys enjoy? Easier securement of certain posish and holds? Better specific angles of leverage for certain positions? I am talking aside from striking completely. I was making a joke about Rogan before, but when I think about it the only things that stand out from certain long ground fighters, relating to their length, are:

Able to reach far around opponents center to grab hold/loose extremity/etc
Able to secure body triangles easier
Good Butterfly/Able to post on opp hips well
Good at flattening out when on top back.
Nifty bottom escapes utilizing length.

Granted I'm missing intracacies of details that I've never even heard of, so by no means is this list supposed to be professional analysis.

I ask because I question Rogan's remarks in the past about that bodytype being ideal for jiujitsu, Kendall Grove being one of the people I think he has said it about. To be fair, I haven't heard him say it a while, and we all know how Joe Hogan is.
 
not it doesnt win fight. but it does help alot if the fighter is a good enough striker to use it at his advantage
 
Agreed with the guy who says it's how you use your tools. Jones has an incredible reach, but Rampage and Brock were incredibly strong. Rashad was incredibly fast. Cain (pre-Werdum) had incredible cardio. All of these guys lost to people who didn't have those gifts. If they had won a lot you could chalk it up to just their advantage.

I maintain that Jones's biggest advantage is his intelligence.
 
Uncle Termite said:
Tyson was 200 pounds at age 15.and benched 300 pounds around the same time..He was k.oing adults then at that age in sparring...I would say that's as genetically gifted as one gets. his fight style was tailored around guys of 6'5 stature ,being overly taller would not have helped his style really since he works his way under and relied on going thru someones jab....he also had the speed of a light HW .Tyson had skill and genetics on his side at peak performance ........of course as you stated the taller guy who knows how to use it will have the advantage almost always as you can always find that 1 % to make a claim but the taller guy USUALLY wins in all combat sports...Struve is an example of being to tall in MMA,not many guys of that height in general are well balanced fighters.
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Tyson without a doubt was gifted, his speed was simply amazing...and he used his genetics to close the distance and destroy bigger fighters.


You can genetics to your advantage....but IMO it's easier to use your reach than to close the distance like tyson...It is much harder to close the distance like tyson.


Anyways Im sure Mike tyson was strong but I doubt believe the 300lbs benches and other bullshit I hear...Sorry but we have no video of it, and the numbers always change....It's not out of the real of possibility but when it comes to Icon's like Tyson/Bruce lee, etc people tend to make a lot of bullshit claims.
 
Which Doctor said:
Roger that. On the flipside what do you think are the advantages that those guys enjoy? Easier securement of certain posish and holds? Better specific angles of leverage for certain positions? I am talking aside from striking completely. I was making a joke about Rogan before, but when I think about it the only things that stand out from certain long ground fighters, relating to their length, are:

Able to reach far around opponents center to grab hold/loose extremity/etc
Able to secure body triangles easier
Good Butterfly/Able to post on opp hips well
Good at flattening out when on top back.
Nifty bottom escapes utilizing length.

Granted I'm missing intracacies of details that I've never even heard of, so by no means is this list supposed to be professional analysis.

I ask because I question Rogan's remarks in the past about that bodytype being ideal for jiujitsu, Kendall Grove being one of the people I think he has said it about. To be fair, I haven't heard him say it a while, and we all know how Joe Hogan is.
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I feel its as simple as


Taller fighters find submissions easier to lock but harder to finish due to the gaps left by having longer arms. Shorter guys, will find submissions harder to lock dues to having to adjust more (like in a triangle they will need to just there hands to lock the legs more), but can compress better making them easier to finish when locked.
 
Rocky Marciano had the shortest reach of all heavyweight champs. So, far he is the only one that stayed undefeated
 
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