Rand Paul is a Bad Neighbor.

[Not A Theist]

That's what I would do. Fuck anyone trying to tell me what to do with my property.

"But its so unsightly!"

Then look away stupid cunt.

I'm pretty sure adversarial, self-centered attitudes like this one is a big part of the reason why Libertarianism is doomed to devolve into a bunch of assholes saying "Don't tread on me!" while stamping their feet on each others' toes - right before they start shooting each other, after enough instances of the former taking place.

 

[luckyshot]

Statement A:

Libertarianism is about not being compelled to do something

This is what libertarianism is, yes.



Statement B:

but central to that is the notion that you shouldn't be a dick to people just because you can.

Unfortunately, this is objectively untrue. Nothing about statement "B" is inherent in-- much less "central to"-- statement "A."

This is the basic problem with libertarianism: it has a naively optimistic view of how individuals settle disputes when left to their own devices.

 

[Greoric]

Statement A:

This is what libertarianism is, yes.

Statement B:

Unfortunately, this is objectively untrue. Nothing about statement "B" is inherent in-- much less "central to"-- statement "A."

This is the basic problem with libertarianism: it has a naively optimistic view of what people are really like and of their ability to solve problems without resorting to violence when left to their own devices.

No such assumption is made. In fact, the observance of human nature is what makes libertarians arrive at their conclusions in the first place.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

That's what I would do. Fuck anyone trying to tell me what to do with my property.

"But its so unsightly!"

Then look away stupid cunt.

No Home Owners Associations for this guy

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm pretty sure adversarial, self-centered attitudes like this one is a big part of the reason why Libertarianism is doomed to devolve into a bunch of assholes saying "Don't tread on me!" while stamping their feet on each others' toes...

Thankfully I'm not a libertarian, quite the opposite as an actual libertarian like @sub_thug would tell you.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

do they not have a HOA? was Rand thinking nature would just handle the debris?

there's so many weird little things here haha

I'm laughing thinking about this neighbor raging out as he tries to set the debris on fire only to burn himself.

Like that scenario is what the rage meme was made for

 

[Not A Theist]

Thankfully I'm not a libertarian, quite the opposite as an actual libertarian like @sub_thug would tell you.

I'm not too concerned with whether or not you are a Libertarian. Your attitude, and ones like it, are still pieces of the puzzle that put Libertarianism in the "utopian BS" category.

 

[luckyshot]

No such assumption is made. In fact, the observance of human nature is what makes libertarians arrive at their conclusions in the first place.

Pray tell, where does one go to "observe" human nature as such?

Because for every example you can come up with of people behaving nicely outside of a compelling force, I'm sure I can come of with an example of the opposite.

This is the basic philosophical difference between Rousseau and Hobbes. Rousseau held "man is born free but is everywhere in chains" because we are noble savages.

Hobbes held that life in a true state of nature would be "solitary, poor, brutish, and short" because it would be a state of total war-- all versus all.

In truth, it is ridiculous to speak of either Rousseau or Hobbes being correct about "human nature." The truth is that there is no ONE human nature. Left to our own devices, some of us would be noble savages, others of us would be murderous thugs, most of us would fall somewhere in between.

The thing is: noble savages don't last long.

 

[44nutman]

Paul and the neighbor instead of acting like men were passive aggressive bitches to each other.
Rand knew neighbor was pissed about the piles, because neighbor keep on removing them, and Rand took the bitch route and keep putting them back.
This could have been solved by talking it out instead of acting out.
Neighbor should have went to Rand and been like hey dude could you not put your piles of shit next to my property. If Rand did not listen, then you fill his yard full of upper cuts.

 

[Islam Imamate]

No Home Owners Associations for this guy

I'm not too concerned with whether or not you are a Libertarian. Your attitude, and ones like it, are still pieces of the puzzle that put Libertarianism in the "utopian BS" category.

 

[ookii]

A gated community without HOA? They would have given a citation to Rand Paul over his stock pile of leaves

 

[Greoric]

Pray tell, where does one go to "observe" human nature as such?

Because for every example you can come up with of people behaving nicely outside of a compelling force, I'm sure I can come of with examples of the opposite.

Because you're conflating compulsion with consequences. Libertarianism doesn't propose that there won't be consequences to poor choices, only that there shouldn't be a single institutional arbiter and enforcer funded by way of compulsion to deal them out.

 

[luckyshot]

Because you're conflating compulsion with consequences. Libertarianism doesn't propose that there won't be consequences to poor choices, only that there shouldn't be a single institutional arbiter and enforcer funded by way of compulsion to deal them out.

So, Mr. Paul's neighbor should have been left to whoop that ass in peace?

As tempting as it would be to reach that conclusion in this particular case, I'm going to have to demur.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

A gated community without HOA? They would have given a citation to Rand Paul over his stock pile of leaves

Looks like they aren't very prevelant in KY

https://www.caionline.org/AboutComm...tistical Information/2016StatsReviewFBWeb.pdf

 

[Not A Theist]

Because you're conflating compulsion with consequences. Libertarianism doesn't propose that there won't be consequences to poor choices, only that there shouldn't be a single institutional arbiter and enforcer funded by way of compulsion to deal them out.

"I know - let's privatize the police! What could possibly go wrong?" - Libertarians

 

[Greoric]

"I know - let's privatize the police! What could possibly go wrong?" - Libertarians

Because our current police depts care about whether you'd pay for their services now, yes? There isn't any problem with trampling on people's rights, theft through CAF, or excessive force now, correct?

 

[JamesRussler]

So Rand Paul's attacker has been sentenced. It sounds like this guy just snapped after months of Rand Paul leaving his crap around. I support Rand Paul politically but man he sounds like a bad neighbor


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...-tackled-senator-angry-yard-debris/692485002/
"Other than the isolated incident that is in issue, Dr. Boucher has been a pillar of his community, a solid citizen, a family man and a devout Christian," Baker wrote in his memorandum.

It said the disagreement over yard debris dates back to September 2017, when Paul piled a 10-foot-wide stack of limbs onto a spot near Boucher's property. The pile sat until October, when Boucher picked it up and hauled it away in portable dumpsters.

"Even though this debris was not on Dr. Boucher's property, he viewed it as unsightly — as it was placed directly in his line of sight from his patio and the back door of his house," the court record said.

Two more piles of debris appeared in the same month, and Boucher burned the pile on Nov. 2. Boucher used gasoline and suffered second-degree burns that he needed treatment for, the memorandum said.

Rene Boucher appears in court for an arraignment hearing on Nov. 9, 2017, at the Warren County Justice Center. (Austin Anthony/Daily News via AP) (Photo: Austin Anthony, AP)

The next day, Paul used his lawnmower to blow leaves onto Boucher's yard and then made another branch pile in the same spot, it said.

"As Dr. Boucher has stated throughout, he lost his temper and tackled Rand Paul as Paul was carrying branches from another location on his property and placing them on the property line," the memorandum said.

Boucher also denied that the dispute was fueled by political differences with Paul, a Republican.

"Dr. Boucher has adamantly denied any such political motivations throughout, as even the suggestion of them is completely unfounded and simply not true," the memorandum said.

That story makes no sense to me. I missed the part where Boucher tried talking to Mr. Paul about it. And even if he did, who would get that upset over a bundle of sticks?

I think this was a convenient way to negate the intent element for a much more serious crime. Watch Maxine Waters will start whining about Kierstjen Nielsen’s yardwork once secret service pays a visit.

 

[nostradumbass]

Has anyone ever had a good neighbor who was a politician? They're bottom feeders, Bernie pulls out a calculator to find out tips, Rand Paul is apparently a yard horder, I can't think of a single one who's not looking to cheat on their wife. Fuck the lot of them.

 

[Not A Theist]

Because our current police depts care about whether you'd pay for their services now, yes? There isn't any problem with trampling on people's rights, theft through CAF, or excessive force now, correct?

You know, I'm not sure I want to go down the "taxation is theft" rabbit hole today. As long as you people don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning in society at large, I'm happy to just make snarky comments in an internet forum. And frankly, a strawman post deserves a dual strawman response, so fair's fair.

 

[Seano]

Assault is assault, even if its an asshole neighbor.