Opinion Radical left vs Radical Right poll

[Jack V Savage]

You can worry about both at the same time. It's not binary, nothing in politics is. Attack on science is done by all sides with funding power and vested interests. For US democracy it's just a man who is on his way out. Most republicans are against him now and telling him to hang up the wig. It's curtains and on January 20th all power will be transferred over. He'll be escorted out faster than you can say democracy. That doesn't have anything to do with capitalism, which was my question to the guy who has yet to provide an alternative and share his dystopia.

Not true that science is attacked on all sides, and a lot of funding power and vested interests are pro-science. The right as an ideology is anti-science, in comparison with other methods of determining belief (authority, religion, tribalism).

Almost nothing is impossible when it comes to politics, hell, you don't even have to go back hundreds of years ago like I did earlier to see that. If you went back a mere 5 years ago and you told people that not only would Donald Trump be president, but he would attempt a coup and try to destroy democracy they would laugh in your face. Yet here we are. And if you went back 15 years ago and you said that a black man (well, technically a mixed race man, but close enough in the eyes of most Americans) would be elected president and that gay marriage would become legal in this country no one would have believed you. Yet both of those things happened within a decade, and when it comes to Obama getting elected it happened only 3 years later. Lots of things seem impossible, until they happen. I admit that it is unlikely that capitalism will be abolished in my lifetime, but that doesn't mean it will never happen. If it won't happen now, then perhaps it will happen 50, 70, or even 100 years from now. Who knows, but my point is, if so much can change in 5 years then what makes you think that even more drastic change can't happen in a century?

General point that things that some people think are unlikely can happen is correct. The SSM and black-president things that you mention are about overcoming irrational attitudes, which some people were pessimistic about. But you could see the reasons for them. What good reason would there be to abolish capitalism? What would that even entail? Personally, I would support a large SWF with a universal dividend and at least a Georgist-influenced taxation system. I'm not optimistic about it happening any time soon, but say it did. Would you consider that abolishing capitalism, if we still had a market-based economy and private ownership of productive property?

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Mass shootings? Since when? Dylan roof or that bumper sticker dude?

Since CHOP/CHAZ? Or that guy in Portland?

Who has caused more destruction and carnage the last 7 or so months...
Let's be honest here

California is on fire, not sure if you noticed.

Yes, climate change is the culprit and yes conservatives are responsible for it getting as out of control as it has.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Left getting a dose of reality in the poll as usual.

here is the unfortunate thing...the "Reality" is staring them right in the face and they are still denying it.

it isn't "Right wing" groups or Proud boys pulling people from cars and beating the shit out of them..

it isn't right wing groups burning down businesses.

in this thread we have seen an inordinate amount of dishonesty. unfortunately, these are the corollary effects when you value partisan loyalty over objective truth/fact.

 

[cooks1]

People's answers depend on what they hate more---anarchy or facism.

If you hate anarchy more, you will say the radical left is worse.

If you hate facism more, you will say the radical right is worse.

 

[Kandyland]

California is on fire, not sure if you noticed.

Yes, climate change is the culprit and yes conservatives are responsible for it getting as out of control as it has.

LOL. Yes, it's conservatives fault a leftist shit hole like California is on fire. Derpa derpa!!!

 

[Aegon Spengler]

LOL. Yes, it's conservatives fault a leftist shit hole like California is on fire. Derpa derpa!!!

Climate Change is real and it’s man made kid.

If someone took your brain nobody would notice

 

[Jack V Savage]

in this thread we have seen an inordinate amount of dishonesty. unfortunately, these are the corollary effects when you value partisan loyalty over objective truth/fact.

This is hilarious. After I posted facts, you ran from the discussion because you don't want to believe them. It's exactly like the right does with evolution, climate change, magic tax cuts, COVID, and more. Objective truth makes you guys mad so you live in a fantasyworld.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

People's answers depend on what they hate more---anarchy or facism.

If you hate anarchy more, you will say the radical left is worse.

If you hate facism more, you will say the radical right is worse.

then there are sane people...who hate both...and can condemn rioting and looting and not excuse it as "justifiable form of outrage" and also condemn abuses of power by law enforcement.

 

[ElijahWood]

Because it's Sherfront and most of the posters around here are right-leaning.

Not even close. The left occupies all the mod seats save one or two. You guys have all the power here.

You just don't have good arguments because your political philosophy is findamentally flawed.

 

[cooks1]

then there are sane people...who hate both...and can condemn rioting and looting and not excuse it as "justifiable form of outrage" and also condemn abuses of power by law enforcement.

You can hate both while still hating one more than the other.

Like you, I hate them both. But I hate facism more than I hate anarchy. So while I loathe both, I see the radical right as worse.

Only people in the 'real dead center' of the political spectrum can honestly say they hate the radical right and radical left equally. And there are very few of those people. Shit, I bet we could not even get 2 sherdoggers to agree on what the real dead center of the political spectrum is.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

You can hate both while still hating one more than the other.

Like you, I hate them both. But I hate facism more than I hate anarchy. So while I loathe both, I see the radical right as worse.

Only people in the 'real dead center' of the political spectrum can honestly say they hate the radical right and radical left equally. And there are very few of those people. Shit, I bet we could not even get 2 sherdoggers to agree on what the real dead center of the political spectrum is.

and this is sane, fair rational post. I don't entirely agree 100 percent, but it's a reasonable one.

 

[Scerpi]

Communist Soviet Russia Under Stalin - 70 Million Dead from Failed Policies, persecution and executions.
Nazi Germany Under Hitler - 15 Million killed

It's weird no one says, "Literally Stalin" instead of Hitler... Stalin was far worse to his own subjects. At least Hitler cared about his own citizens.. well, most of them.

 

[Zazen]

Depends if you value buildings or lives more. Right wing incels shoot people up, far lefties burn stuff

 

[giusti825]

the radical left actually hates America.

Because they criticize bad policy?

Hating America is seeing it go to shit and refusing to criticize it because you "love your country." Nothing gets fixed that way.

The patriots greatest duty is to criticize his government. Wanting to improve your country is a sign of love, not hate.

 

[Allosaurus Fragillis]

Not true that science is attacked on all sides, and a lot of funding power and vested interests are pro-science. The right as an ideology is anti-science, in comparison with other methods of determining belief (authority, religion, tribalism).



General point that things that some people think are unlikely can happen is correct. The SSM and black-president things that you mention are about overcoming irrational attitudes, which some people were pessimistic about. But you could see the reasons for them. What good reason would there be to abolish capitalism? What would that even entail? Personally, I would support a large SWF with a universal dividend and at least a Georgist-influenced taxation system. I'm not optimistic about it happening any time soon, but say it did. Would you consider that abolishing capitalism, if we still had a market-based economy and private ownership of productive property?

Well in my opinion, the American people's attachment to capitalism and their fear of socialism is also an irrational attitude that need to be overcome. I'm guessing you disagree? Anyway, my point was that public opinion can be changed over time. It's already happening now, Millennials and Zoomers are much more open to socialism and left-wing ideas than previous generations. And there seems to be a growing dislike of wealthy elites and American capitalism in general. Is it really so inconceivable that in a century from now that this country might adopt a socialist, or at the very least, a Scandinavian style system?
Yes a market based economy is possible without capitalism. It's called Market socialism. That's actually the kind of system I would have, or at least initially. Private ownership of productive property would have to go thought. Otherwise it is still capitalism.

 

[mmafan2000]

Not true that science is attacked on all sides, and a lot of funding power and vested interests are pro-science. The right as an ideology is anti-science, in comparison with other methods of determining belief (authority, religion, tribalism).



General point that things that some people think are unlikely can happen is correct. The SSM and black-president things that you mention are about overcoming irrational attitudes, which some people were pessimistic about. But you could see the reasons for them. What good reason would there be to abolish capitalism? What would that even entail? Personally, I would support a large SWF with a universal dividend and at least a Georgist-influenced taxation system. I'm not optimistic about it happening any time soon, but say it did. Would you consider that abolishing capitalism, if we still had a market-based economy and private ownership of productive property?

Read the book called Abusing Science by Ktichner. I majored in the philosophy of science at university. Science needs funds to survive. Follow the money to see who is behind what's going on.

 

[giusti825]

here is the unfortunate thing...the "Reality" is staring them right in the face and they are still denying it.

it isn't "Right wing" groups or Proud boys pulling people from cars and beating the shit out of them..

it isn't right wing groups burning down businesses.

in this thread we have seen an inordinate amount of dishonesty. unfortunately, these are the corollary effects when you value partisan loyalty over objective truth/fact.

As long as everyone wants to ignore 'reality'......

Its not left wing groups that are keeping the medical industry in this country under a 'for-profit' business model; killing 48,000 people a year and bankrupting 500,000+(before the pandemic and mass unemployment) for the crime of not having the money to pay for what should be a fundamental human right, as it is in the rest of the developed world.....

It not left wing groups promoting the destruction of our tax code, leading to huge concentrations of wealth and creating a larger wealth gap than the guilded age.....

If you are focused on a few burned down empty businesses by political activists instead of the problems that are killing americans in droves, you are focused more on the stupid 'culture war' than you are at what will do the most good for americans and save the most american lives.

In this thread we have seen an inordinate amount of dishonesty. unfortunately, these are the corollary effects when you value partisan loyalty over objective truth/fact, and nitpick the smallest problems while ignoring the systemic picture.

 

[John of Arc]

This is hilarious. After I posted facts, you ran from the discussion because you don't want to believe them. It's exactly like the right does with evolution, climate change, magic tax cuts, COVID, and more. Objective truth makes you guys mad so you live in a fantasyworld.

Do you think the right is alone in its denial of science? I think both sides prefer what suits their world view to any sort of objective truth. Climate change denial is by far the most dangerous from either side but it's either willful ignorance or blindness due to your own bias if you can't see areas where predominantly leftists deny science. One area this is particularly prevalent is the differences between genders and outright denial of biological facts.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

here is the unfortunate thing...the "Reality" is staring them right in the face and they are still denying it.

it isn't "Right wing" groups or Proud boys pulling people from cars and beating the shit out of them..

it isn't right wing groups burning down businesses.

in this thread we have seen an inordinate amount of dishonesty. unfortunately, these are the corollary effects when you value partisan loyalty over objective truth/fact.

They'll never accept it. This pandemic has fully exposed the blatant hypocrisy of left wing extremists being allowed to gather and destroy, while the middle class suffers and gets shamed/mocked for attempting to open their businesses. The left is so far gone that there is no point in arguing with them anymore. Focus on your own life and security; they will inevitably destroy themselves.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Do you think the right is alone in its denial of science? I think both sides prefer what suits their world view to any sort of objective truth. Climate change denial is by far the most dangerous from either side but it's either willful ignorance or blindness due to your own bias if you can't see areas where predominantly leftists deny science. One area this is particularly prevalent is the differences between genders and outright denial of biological facts.

It's not symmetrical, as liberalism is based on the idea that objective reality exists and that we can approximate knowledge of it. Certain biases are natural, either in people in general or in Western people specifically, but when liberals get facts wrong, it is a failing. Rightists of various stripes aren't trying to get things right, as defined by science. And sex or gender differences are not things that the left denies. I think you're confusing the liberal or left position that transgendered people should be treated with respect and protected from violence and certain types of discrimination with something else.