PWD 283: Bulletproof

[Nuclearlandmine]

The biggest neck beard on this site just called you out for making an insanely neck beard statement, LMFAO

I outlined and articulated my reasonings pretty clearly below, mind you. If you want to play identity politic though, feel free to do so.

'Selective obliviousness'? What in the blue hell are you talking about? There are only like three guys in the company who don't get 50/50 booking, Brock/Cena/Reigns. Brock is the best booked wrestler in the entire company.

Exactly my point. Everyone, old and new, is mired in this swamp of 50/50 booking. But yet, it is sensible for some to get it but when it is other it is not. Usually, it falls to either homegrown or ex indie, respectively. If you want to build creds and get people over, continuity is needed but yet here we are. Somehow with some wrestlers it is totally unacceptable that they got treated like this but others like AJ Styles it is "a fact of life". That's not exactly consistent booking.

A: Zack Ryder is a jobber. I figure his win at WM was a long-term service award. Not even comparable to AJ Styles.

B: 50/50 booking sucks, but what can you do? A win doesn't mean any more than a loss, so I don't know why everyone wants to accentuate the losses so much. Now of course, there is the Bray Wyatt limit, where you lose so much, you can't be taken seriously anymore, but that's not 50/50 booking, that's just being a loser.

C: AJ losing to Jericho at WM isn't a big deal. It was a tightly contested feud, which was just supposed to put some good wrestling on display, and get AJ familiar with the WWE fans. The wins and losses are already forgotten about. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Did beating Jericho at WM do a damn thing for Fandango? If you're an AJ fan, be happy that he's been booked in higher card since his debut. The WWE is treating him rather well, I'd say.



Now that all the niceties are out of the way, I'll veer down more familiar territory for me. Nakamura....that guy SUCKS. I watched a few matches last night, along with some highlights, and was astonished that this sloppy fuck has so much hype behind him. What is the big deal with this guy? Other than that one slick arm bar he has, his move set is awful. He looks drunk in the ring. His knees and kicks, which I suppose are his bread and butter, look fucking terrible. Half of them don't look like they have any impact at all.

On the main roster, that guy will be a bigger bust than Sin Cara.

Well, not gonna argue about Nakamura there. He got over in Japan because of his antics but not really sure in here. Unless he can put on a show to convince people. Maybe playing up his ex-MMA background like Graves did in Takeover Dallas or something. He's a stiff worker though, so even if his moves doesn't look good, it is painful at least.

A: well, it is not really long term service when you got over once and then got jobbed for a few years. And he lost his title the night after too, so what was the point again? Put pre-determinded accolade on his resume?

B: he lost in WrestleMania in front of nearly 100K people. If that's not a big loss to you, then I don't know what it is. Even if it is pre determined result for the sake of building new stars and attraction, shouldn't the logic dictate that he should be going over Jericho, whose purpose is to get AJ over? WrestleMania moments are also things that got touted a lot too, so again, are the bookers are being consistent here, having him won two bouts in two smaller PPV only for him to lost in the grandest stage of them all?

C: Fandango was briefly over, mind you. Before WWE running his schtick to the ground. Again, another example of the E not knowing what to do with their talents. And while I acknowledged that AJ is at a better place now, things can always get better and booking can always be more logical. So he and his fans should be content with his current booking, but yet a few pages ago someone was talking about how wrestlers should be active to get themselves over. And he CAN get over with the right booking, and this booking is anything but right.

Shut up

 

[Prime Ang]

I outlined and articulated my reasonings pretty clearly below, mind you. If you want to play identity politic though, feel free to do so.



Exactly my point. Everyone, old and new, is mired in this swamp of 50/50 booking. But yet, it is sensible for some to get it but when it is other it is not. Usually, it falls to either ex-indie guy or "homegrown" guy. If you want to build continuity and get people, continuity is needed but yet here we are. Somehow with some wrestlers it is totally unacceptable that they got treated like this but others like AJ Styles it is "a fact of life". That's not exactly consistent booking.



Well, not gonna argue about Nakamura there. He got over in Japan because of his antics but not really sure in here. Unless he can put on a show to convince people. Maybe playing up his ex-MMA background like Graves did in Takeover Dallas or something. He's a stiff worker though, so even if his moves doesn't look good, it is painful at least.

A: well, it is not really long term service when you got over once and then got jobbed for a few years. And he lost his title the night after too, so what was the point again? Put pre-determinded accolade on his resume?

B: he lost in WrestleMania in front of nearly 100K people. If that's not a big loss to you, then I don't know what it is. Even if it is pre determined result for the sake of building new stars and attraction, shouldn't the logic dictate that he should be going over Jericho, whose purpose is to get AJ over? WrestleMania moments are also things that got touted a lot too, so again, are the bookers are being consistent here, having him won two bouts in two smaller PPV only for him to lost in the grandest stage of them all?

C: Fandango was briefly over, mind you. Before WWE running his schtick to the ground. Again, another example of the E not knowing what to do with their talents. And while I acknowledged that AJ is at a better place now, things can always get better and booking can always be more logical. So he and his fans should be content with his current booking, but yet a few pages ago someone was talking about how wrestlers should be active to get themselves over. And he CAN get over with the right booking, and this booking is anything but right.

lol no one is going to read all that you fucking can

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Will Enzo and Big Cass be able to get over with normal crowds?
Carmella is no longer managing them according to Wiki.

I was hoping Carmella would come with them but if not I hope she gets a good push in the women's division in NXT. She's really come a long way I think.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

50/50 booking isn't about some type of Win/Loss record like you would have in MMA. To me its about any given match outside of a world title really means nothing when next week's show comes along. Continuity from week to week and month to month has become a casualty of 50/50.

 

[Nuclearlandmine]

lol no one is going to read all that you fucking can

Your loss, then

50/50 booking isn't about some type of Win/Loss record like you would have in MMA. To me its about any given match outside of a world title really means nothing when next week's show comes along. Continuity from week to week and month to month has become a casualty of 50/50.

Yeah, I agree. It is all about perception in the long term. Why are you bother investing weeks to weeks when you know that it doesn't matter one bit in the future? That's really the crust of the issues.

 

[Falsedawn]

Anyone shit talking Nakamura doesn't know good wrestling when they see it. Fucking marks. Lol

 

[Count Zero]

Man what a great rasslin weekend. Takeover and all the callups on Raw really helped round things out.

And I am still probably a couple weeks away from catching up in order to see the ROH show.

I hope Smackdown and Raw deliver over the next couple weeks. Next PPV could be a generation-defining event for WWE.

 

[Sexy]

50/50 booking isn't about some type of Win/Loss record like you would have in MMA. To me its about any given match outside of a world title really means nothing when next week's show comes along. Continuity from week to week and month to month has become a casualty of 50/50.

I think it was about three or four years ago, Kofi Kingston and Dolph Ziggler wrestled like 30 weeks in a row on Raw. I don't think there was any pay off haha.

 

[Pittie Petey]

Carmella is no longer managing them

Thats dumb

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I haven't finished NXT Takeover Dallas yet but the tag match was FANTASTIC. I watched the Tag match alone at home before driving to KC, MO to visit my best friend for WM.

One botch away from * * * * * . Easily * * * * 1/2 still. Asuka/Bayley seemed ok. I was watching that before WM but there were a bunch of other people in the room talking so it was hard to pay attention. Zayn/Nakamura was def a four star match (but I still liked the tag title match more).

Chad Gable is probably my favorite in ring wrestler right now.

 

[HereticBD]

Well, not gonna argue about Nakamura there. He got over in Japan because of his antics but not really sure in here. Unless he can put on a show to convince people. Maybe playing up his ex-MMA background like Graves did in Takeover Dallas or something. He's a stiff worker though, so even if his moves doesn't look good, it is painful at least.

They don't look painful, though. That's my point. He looks like an amateur, who never trained how to throw proper pro-wrestling strikes. He looks like he's just throwing slow, weak, sloppy strikes. On top of that, he has quite possibly the shittiest backstabber I've ever seen. He looks less seasoned in the ring than Brie Bella. I'm dead fucking serious.

B: he lost in WrestleMania in front of nearly 100K people. If that's not a big loss to you, then I don't know what it is. Even if it is pre determined result for the sake of building new stars and attraction, shouldn't the logic dictate that he should be going over Jericho, whose purpose is to get AJ over? WrestleMania moments are also things that got touted a lot too, so again, are the bookers are being consistent here, having him won two bouts in two smaller PPV only for him to lost in the grandest stage of them all?

Who said it was Jericho's purpose to put him over? That's just an assumption. Jericho seems to be sticking around, so why was it his job to put Styles over? Simply feuding with Jericho is plenty to get him over, and immediately elevate him. Think of the other options they could have gone with. He could've started his WWE career feuding with fucking Neville or some shit. WWE doesn't owe AJ a damn thing, and they've booked him rather favorably, even if he did take a loss at WM. Be happy he's where he's at.


And seriously, fuck Zack Ryder. Is it even worth getting upset over? He's a goddamned jobber. He received a gift, not a punishment.

 

[Batjester]

I outlined and articulated my reasonings pretty clearly below, mind you. If you want to play identity politic though, feel free to do so.



Exactly my point. Everyone, old and new, is mired in this swamp of 50/50 booking. But yet, it is sensible for some to get it but when it is other it is not. Usually, it falls to either homegrown or ex indie, respectively. If you want to build creds and get people over, continuity is needed but yet here we are. Somehow with some wrestlers it is totally unacceptable that they got treated like this but others like AJ Styles it is "a fact of life". That's not exactly consistent booking.



Well, not gonna argue about Nakamura there. He got over in Japan because of his antics but not really sure in here. Unless he can put on a show to convince people. Maybe playing up his ex-MMA background like Graves did in Takeover Dallas or something. He's a stiff worker though, so even if his moves doesn't look good, it is painful at least.

A: well, it is not really long term service when you got over once and then got jobbed for a few years. And he lost his title the night after too, so what was the point again? Put pre-determinded accolade on his resume?

B: he lost in WrestleMania in front of nearly 100K people. If that's not a big loss to you, then I don't know what it is. Even if it is pre determined result for the sake of building new stars and attraction, shouldn't the logic dictate that he should be going over Jericho, whose purpose is to get AJ over? WrestleMania moments are also things that got touted a lot too, so again, are the bookers are being consistent here, having him won two bouts in two smaller PPV only for him to lost in the grandest stage of them all?

C: Fandango was briefly over, mind you. Before WWE running his schtick to the ground. Again, another example of the E not knowing what to do with their talents. And while I acknowledged that AJ is at a better place now, things can always get better and booking can always be more logical. So he and his fans should be content with his current booking, but yet a few pages ago someone was talking about how wrestlers should be active to get themselves over. And he CAN get over with the right booking, and this booking is anything but right.

I'm pretty sure even your parents hate you.

 

[JohnMcHero]

I saw Nakamura for the first time at Takeover because I haven't watched any Japanese wrestling in years (not enough time) and I was pleasantly surprised. He showed more natural charisma without speaking a word than 75% of the roster. It will be interesting to see how they book him when he makes the main roster but for now I look forward to seeing more of him on NXT

 

[The Clinch]

Vaudevillians debut on Smackdown?

Ah man, Ascension may have some friends soon.......... But hopefully it's just WWE finally trying to elevate the stagnant tag division bringing up these teams and not just to just have more jobbers.

 

[TheStruggle]

 

[MeGaMaNx18]

I'm mad late but..enzo and cass have an awesome presence on the stick..I was really impressed with their wrestling at road block but damn can they cut a promo..pretty excited about their future

 

[Prime Ang]

Vaudevillians debut on Smackdown?

Ah man, Ascension may have some friends soon.......... But hopefully it's just WWE finally trying to elevate the stagnant tag division bringing up these teams and not just to just have more jobbers.

Not a big fan of them or the revival, so idc.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I'm mad late but..enzo and cass have an awesome presence on the stick..I was really impressed with their wrestling at road block but damn can they cut a promo..pretty excited about their future

The very first time I saw them on NXT a while back I was like "this gimmick sucks" but then they won me over and I'm a mark for them now.

 

[Pittie Petey]

Vaudevillians debut on Smackdown?

Ah man, Ascension may have some friends soon.......... But hopefully it's just WWE finally trying to elevate the stagnant tag division bringing up these teams and not just to just have more jobbers.

I just cant see them getting over on the big stage
Thats the kind of act that works great in the indies and the small houses where people are in on the joke but its too corny for the mass market
Hope Im wrong because I like the gimmick

 

[TheStruggle]

The Vaudevillians should stay on NXT, that gimmick is hard to get over outside Full Sail