PWD 283: Bulletproof

[HereticBD]

AJ might be the one going to fight Roman next but like you said, it is strange situation that AJ gets the title shot but it smell like they are feeding AJ to Roman instead of elevating a talent.

Dude, he hasn't even been with the company for six months, and he's lined up to headline a PPV in a World Title match. What the fuck do you want, in order for the WWE to "elevate" him?

 

[JohnMcHero]

I don't see how they can continue with a heel authority and face Reigns because they already established that they will do anything to take the belt off him. Hopefully going forward they will sort it out one way or another.

My main disappointment from the Shane ran RAW is that he didn't give Rodney and Pete Gas a tag title match.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I'm reading some of the RAW results and it seems really terrible. Am I overreacting? It's hard to describe, but it feels like there's no point to watching since there's little continuity. Like Ryder wins at Mania, then immediately loses? So there was no point in being vested in him winning. Which in and of itself had no build up.

OR AJ losing to Jericho means nothing for either guy from Mania. So it was pointless to be vested in their feud up until yesterday since results of feuds have no real bearing on the show as a whole.

I mean if you are gonna book a wrestling show like this, just get rid of ALL promos since they don't mean anything and everything just seems like random matches with winners/losers pulled out of a lottery at random. Since in even in the short term, feuds/wins/losses have zero impact on anything. As a STORY there's no reason to be emotionally invested.

 

[Nuclearlandmine]

Dude, he hasn't even been with the company for six months, and he's lined up to headline a PPV in a World Title match. What the fuck do you want, in order for the WWE to "elevate" him?

There lies a curious tendency in the E to first raise the talent up only to squash them down. Zack Ryder might get props in here because he "went from making videos with his dad" to "become the Intercontentinental champion in Wrestlemania", but it is rather glaring for people to be selectively obliviousness to his last few years of being irrelevant and playing second fiddle to John Cena in his fued. Of course, props to him going down to NXT to recompose himself and raise back up again but let's not pretend that he was a classic rag to riches story in some sort of raise middle finger toward the Illuminati that is neckbeard-dom. And then, of course, he lost his title to Miz of all people the next night. There seemingly is no continuity in this joint. Same thing with AJ Styles, even more glaringly so when he just got off a 50/50 booking fued vs AJ Styles that ultimately got to nowhere for a lot of people (including the poster above me and me). Accentuate the positives? Sure. But it is hard to focus on the positive when the issues are so glaring you can drive a Rusev tank through it.

But i'm sure people will just brush me off as "robbing people of all of their fun" and "being negative". Sorry for not being all sunshine and fun, kek.

 

[HereticBD]

Even Heretic likes Enzo

Pretty sure pigs are flying right now

Nah, I just recognize talent when I see it. That guy is a natural on the mic, and clearly knows a thing or two about branding. You could make like ten different T-Shirts off his catchphrases alone.

It's a real shame he's small. Don't know how well he'll do if he ever has to go solo, but he's in a pretty good spot right now. I'd give that debut a 10/10. Those guys have a very, very bright future.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

There lies a curious tendency in the E to first raise the talent up only to squash them down. Zack Ryder might get props in here because he "went from making videos with his dad" to "become the Intercontentinental champion in Wrestlemania", but it is rather glaring for people to be selectively obliviousness to his last few years of being irrelevant and playing second fiddle to John Cena in his fued. Of course, props to him going down to NXT to recompose himself and raise back up again but let's not pretend that he was a classic rag to riches story in some sort of raise middle finger toward the Illuminati that is neckbeard-dom. And then, of course, he lost his title to Miz of all people the next night. There seemingly is no continuity in this joint. Same thing with AJ Styles, even more glaringly so when he just got off a 50/50 booking fued vs AJ Styles that ultimately got to nowhere for a lot of people (including the poster above me and me). Accentuate the positives? Sure. But it is hard to focus on the positive when the issues are so glaring you can drive a Rusev tank through it.

But i'm sure people will just brush me off as "robbing people of all of their fun" and "being negative". Sorry for not being all sunshine and fun, kek.

Agree with you whole heartedly. You can't even use the argument "well just ignore the lame stories and watch for the good matches" but even then half the matches are RAW are boring due to "safe style". Super kicks and dives through the ropes, kick out of a bunch of finishers. Repeat. My buddy and I were joking about doing shots every time there was a super kick last night, and two matches into the show were were up to SIX already.

 

[lakersfan45]

I want to reiterate, I don't hate Roman because he's not an Indy darling, I fucking love Baron Corbin and he's the literal antithesis of that. I hate Roman because he has two stupid moves that make up the bulk of his moveset and he wears armor in his matches. Booking isn't on him, his promos probably aren't either, but put some effort in to your work if you're going to be the top guy.

I had the same thought about Corbin but it's not Romans move set that bothers me. He's been in enough good to great matches for that to be a concern.

For me i never believe Roman. I don't think he believes in himself or character. Sometimes I feel like he might have a panic attack out there. The worse is when he laughs, it doesn't look like it's out of ambivalence because he's so confident, it looks like it's completely out of insecurity. You can see it when he does those morning shows too. He seems unsure of himself. I want to like Roman and see the potential and I also agree that a lot of it is bad booking but at the end of the day he should have had enough time to fix this problem.

Contrast what I said above with Corbin. when I watch Corbin I believe him and his actions, even though he's playing much more of a character.

I've been rewatching 96 from January and I'm in November now. Stone cold is an amazing example of someone getting over because he believes In himself and gimmick. He slowly morphs and transforms into the stone cold gimmick, doesn't happen every night. But u see his confidence in it grow every week until he's the full stone cold going into survivor series. If u describe the stone cold gimmick to a wrestler without ever have seen Austin most would fail at it. My point is at the end of the day you have to be and create ur own character and luck. I think the wwe has given Roman some freedom with this but he's shapeshifted too much because he's not sure what his character is or should be. He just doesent seem to have the confidence in it.

 

[Sexy]

Styles losing and the next day being no1 contender is UFC booking logic. Bullshit. There was no reason to lose to Jericho at WM. No reason to book Styles at WM at all. Dude has been losing to Jericho and now he's a credible contender? Yeah.

PS I don't much care about whether Styles gets a push or not, I think he'll only be good with other technical ex Indy wrestlers. On the main roster that's Owens, Zayn, Rollins, Cesaro... He's not going to bang with Cena, Brock, Big Show...

AJ didn't/doesn't have a losing record against Jericho. Great debut in the Rumble, put in a No 1 Contenders match and won. I definitely think that Styles could have a good match with Big Match John. Not so sure about Big Show, but he shouldn't be wrestling Big Show anyways, given where they're each at on the card, respectively.

Damn Cesaro got smaller. Give that man some trt!

Probably couldn't do much, if any, weight because of his shoulder injury.

I don't think anybody here was shouting that AJ wa fucked or buried (unlike Ambrose). He had a good and senseless match with Jerichho with a stupid ending which is triple stupid now he's no1. Very credible threat to Roman. The fuck stupid. Cesaro should be no1 if anything. Or styles should have won and now be no1.

We must have been reading different threads.

Emma was a NXT call up that got sent back down only to rise again better.

Well, she didn't do herself any favors by stealing a phone case. Probably an overreaction from WWE, but whatever.

I don't know why some people in here are bitching about AJ Styles being No 1 contender after being beaten by Jericho at Wrestlemania. AJ had beaten Jericho one on one before and pinned Jericho in the four way, so it's not entirely senseless.

Raw was great last night. Enzo and Cass could be huge, as well as Baron Corbin.

You're not wrong. More about how everyone was bitching after Mania about how AJ had been 'buried' and it was a huge 'fuck you' from Vince, what a waste it was of Styles' talent, etc.

Reading some of last night's response is kinda baffle.

Cesaro came back. And not a lot of people were high on it. Remind me again, am I suppose to enjoy the show and "happy that someone have a job" or that I can actually like the part I like and dislike the part that's not? Seems rather inconsistent to bitch about people being assine neckbeard and then turned around to be a neckbeard, just without the title. Double standard much?

And as other people pointed out, the logic of AJ Styles lost in the WrestleMania and then get a number 1 contender spot the next night is 50-50 booking at its best. He pinned Jericho after a move that Jericho kicked out last night too. Again, consistency, where it is? People bitches about 50/50 booking but now it is ok because "muh WrestleMania moment" is over?

Also, the Usos vs The Dudleys' Table Match. Am I the only one remember that you weren't supposed to lose in a Table match if you missed your high flying move? Having them lost by that way is anti climatic.

Why the Vaudevillains debuting on Raw too, btw? Sounds a little bit off but that's probably the best foreshadowing WWE has done in years. Tag team divisions need some fresh blood and here it is, seemingly already on the way of the Superstar and Main Event.

Oh wait, gotta be happy now that someone got a spot on the main roster!

From what I remember , most people were happy that Cesaro came back. At worst, he is a steady hand/good wrestler. He has a lot of upside and has important people backstage who believe in him (Cena). No, you're not the only one to remember that you have to put your opponent through the table, it was a botch by the timekeeper/Lillian. That is why Bubba was so mad at the end of the match and screaming at Lillian/timekeeper. Vaudevillains are debuting on Smackdown.

Dude, he hasn't even been with the company for six months, and he's lined up to headline a PPV in a World Title match. What the fuck do you want, in order for the WWE to "elevate" him?

LOL.

 

[Prime Ang]

I love it

 

[Prime Ang]

Never thought I'd see the day where Heretic squashes a neckbeard, but then again, there's not many neckbeards as bad as Nuclear Neckbeard, the man who got me dubs.

 

[Sexy]

I don't see how they can continue with a heel authority and face Reigns because they already established that they will do anything to take the belt off him. Hopefully going forward they will sort it out one way or another.

My main disappointment from the Shane ran RAW is that he didn't give Rodney and Pete Gas a tag title match.

I don't think the Authority will be on TV for a while, well hopefully.

 

[Nuclearlandmine]

Agree with you whole heartedly. You can't even use the argument "well just ignore the lame stories and watch for the good matches" but even then half the matches are RAW are boring due to "safe style". Super kicks and dives through the ropes, kick out of a bunch of finishers. Repeat. My buddy and I were joking about doing shots every time there was a super kick last night, and two matches into the show were were up to SIX already.

Matches on RAW is so cookie cutter at this point that it is not even funny. Even NXT's matches, at least, have some underlying psychology behind it. WWE RAW matches are so rigid and formulaic that you can surely expect a commercial break when someone dive through the ropes.

AJ didn't/doesn't have a losing record against Jericho. Great debut in the Rumble, put in a No 1 Contenders match and won. I definitely think that Styles could have a good match with Big Match John. Not so sure about Big Show, but he shouldn't be wrestling Big Show anyways, given where they're each at on the card, respectively.

From what I remember , most people were happy that Cesaro came back. At worst, he is a steady hand/good wrestler. He has a lot of upside and has important people backstage who believe in him (Cena). No, you're not the only one to remember that you have to put your opponent through the table, it was a botch by the timekeeper/Lillian. That is why Bubba was so mad at the end of the match and screaming at Lillian/timekeeper. Vaudevillains are debuting on Smackdown.

Didn't lose or didn't have a losing record means nothing in the realm of pre determined results. 50/50 booking got hated on but somehow it is ok for AJ Styles to get it? Oh wait he's an indie guy so of course he had to get it. Selective obliviousness at it worst.

Never thought I'd see the day where Heretic squashes a neckbeard, but then again, there's not many neckbeards as bad as Nuclear Neckbeard, the man who got me dubs.

LOL. Let's just ignore my line of reasoning for some score in this basketball games of "who argued the best" on the internet.

And by the way for the records, I didn't report you. Feel free to check on the mods, but if you are so petty that you have to accuse me of reporting you for pulling a Chris Benoit insult, then yeah, you are not exactly above neckbeard material either.

 

[Sexy]

Never thought I'd see the day where Heretic squashes a neckbeard, but then again, there's not many neckbeards as bad as Nuclear Neckbeard, the man who got me dubs.

Heretic is like Kevin Owens, he will feud with everyone.

 

[Prime Ang]

Matches on RAW is so cookie cutter at this point that it is not even funny. Even NXT's matches, at least, have some underlying psychology behind it. WWE RAW matches are so rigid and formulaic that you can surely expect a commercial break when someone dive through the ropes.



Didn't lose or didn't have a losing record means nothing in the realm of pre determined results. 50/50 booking got hated on but somehow it is ok for AJ Styles to get it? Oh wait he's an indie guy so of course he had to get it. Selective obliviousness at it worst.



LOL. Let's just ignore my line of reasoning for some score in this basketball games of "who argued the best" on the internet.

And by the way for the records, I didn't report you. Feel free to check on the mods, but if you are so petty that you have to accuse me of reporting you for pulling a Chris Benoit insult, then yeah, you are not exactly above neckbeard material either.

The biggest neck beard on this site just called you out for making an insanely neck beard statement, LMFAO

 

[My Spot]

Will Enzo and Big Cass be able to get over with normal crowds?
Carmella is no longer managing them according to Wiki.

 

[Sexy]

Didn't lose or didn't have a losing record means nothing in the realm of pre determined results. 50/50 booking got hated on but somehow it is ok for AJ Styles to get it? Oh wait he's an indie guy so of course he had to get it. Selective obliviousness at it worst.

'Selective obliviousness'? What in the blue hell are you talking about? There are only like three guys in the company who don't get 50/50 booking, Brock/Cena/Reigns. Brock is the best booked wrestler in the entire company.

 

[Prime Ang]

Will Enzo and Big Cass be able to get over with normal crowds?
Carmella is no longer managing them according to Wiki.

Yea, they will, Enzo is stupid on the mic and Cass looks the part, they are the perfect duo to get over with smarks and casuals.

 

[HereticBD]

There lies a curious tendency in the E to first raise the talent up only to squash them down. Zack Ryder might get props in here because he "went from making videos with his dad" to "become the Intercontentinental champion in Wrestlemania", but it is rather glaring for people to be selectively obliviousness to his last few years of being irrelevant and playing second fiddle to John Cena in his fued. Of course, props to him going down to NXT to recompose himself and raise back up again but let's not pretend that he was a classic rag to riches story in some sort of raise middle finger toward the Illuminati that is neckbeard-dom. And then, of course, he lost his title to Miz of all people the next night. There seemingly is no continuity in this joint. Same thing with AJ Styles, even more glaringly so when he just got off a 50/50 booking fued vs AJ Styles that ultimately got to nowhere for a lot of people (including the poster above me and me). Accentuate the positives? Sure. But it is hard to focus on the positive when the issues are so glaring you can drive a Rusev tank through it.

But i'm sure people will just brush me off as "robbing people of all of their fun" and "being negative". Sorry for not being all sunshine and fun, kek.

A: Zack Ryder is a jobber. I figure his win at WM was a long-term service award. Not even comparable to AJ Styles.

B: 50/50 booking sucks, but what can you do? A win doesn't mean any more than a loss, so I don't know why everyone wants to accentuate the losses so much. Now of course, there is the Bray Wyatt limit, where you lose so much, you can't be taken seriously anymore, but that's not 50/50 booking, that's just being a loser.

C: AJ losing to Jericho at WM isn't a big deal. It was a tightly contested feud, which was just supposed to put some good wrestling on display, and get AJ familiar with the WWE fans. The wins and losses are already forgotten about. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Did beating Jericho at WM do a damn thing for Fandango? If you're an AJ fan, be happy that he's been booked in higher card since his debut. The WWE is treating him rather well, I'd say.



Now that all the niceties are out of the way, I'll veer down more familiar territory for me. Nakamura....that guy SUCKS. I watched a few matches last night, along with some highlights, and was astonished that this sloppy fuck has so much hype behind him. What is the big deal with this guy? Other than that one slick arm bar he has, his move set is awful. He looks drunk in the ring. His knees and kicks, which I suppose are his bread and butter, look fucking terrible. Half of them don't look like they have any impact at all.

On the main roster, that guy will be a bigger bust than Sin Cara.

 

[Prime Ang]

A: Zack Ryder is a jobber. I figure his win at WM was a long-term service award. Not even comparable to AJ Styles.

B: 50/50 booking sucks, but what can you do? A win doesn't mean any more than a loss, so I don't know why everyone wants to accentuate the losses so much. Now of course, there is the Bray Wyatt limit, where you lose so much, you can't be taken seriously anymore, but that's not 50/50 booking, that's just being a loser.

C: AJ losing to Jericho at WM isn't a big deal. It was a tightly contested feud, which was just supposed to put some good wrestling on display, and get AJ familiar with the WWE fans. The wins and losses are already forgotten about. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Did beating Jericho at WM do a damn thing for Fandango? If you're an AJ fan, be happy that he's been booked in higher card since his debut. The WWE is treating him rather well, I'd say.



Now that all the niceties are out of the way, I'll veer down more familiar territory for me. Nakamura....that guy SUCKS. I watched a few matches last night, along with some highlights, and was astonished that this sloppy fuck has so much hype behind him. What is the big deal with this guy? Other than that one slick arm bar he has, his move set is awful. He looks drunk in the ring. His knees and kicks, which I suppose are his bread and butter, look fucking terrible. Half of them don't look like they have any impact at all.

On the main roster, that guy will be a bigger bust than Sin Cara.

I agree with your assessment of Nakamura, but I'm on record in saying I have never liked Japanese wrestlers much, they've never gotten over with me.

 

[TheStruggle]

Reading some of last night's response is kinda baffle.

Cesaro came back. And not a lot of people were high on it. Remind me again, am I suppose to enjoy the show and "happy that someone have a job" or that I can actually like the part I like and dislike the part that's not? Seems rather inconsistent to bitch about people being assine neckbeard and then turned around to be a neckbeard, just without the title. Double standard much?

And as other people pointed out, the logic of AJ Styles lost in the WrestleMania and then get a number 1 contender spot the next night is 50-50 booking at its best. He pinned Jericho after a move that Jericho kicked out last night too. Again, consistency, where it is? People bitches about 50/50 booking but now it is ok because "muh WrestleMania moment" is over?

Also, the Usos vs The Dudleys' Table Match. Am I the only one remember that you weren't supposed to lose in a Table match if you missed your high flying move? Having them lost by that way is anti climatic.

Why the Vaudevillains debuting on Raw too, btw? Sounds a little bit off but that's probably the best foreshadowing WWE has done in years. Tag team divisions need some fresh blood and here it is, seemingly already on the way of the Superstar and Main Event.

Oh wait, gotta be happy now that someone got a spot on the main roster!

Shut up