PWD PWD 1034: KO-Mania VI

[Crawler89]

Yeah maybe they all need jbl waiting to ass fuck em back stage.

Get out of here. There all so handcuffed be wwe now it's absurd.

The current storylines for most of fucking wrestlemania is "I want a moment!" Or "I want a match"

If that's the case in keyfabe then why isn't Seth just fighting omos. They both want singles matches at mania!

It sounds more like guys who are actually fans of the product now want to be in the product and want to help each other. Rather than "I was failed foot baller. Now I spear people yes! Oh sorry I have softball on Sunday"

At least cena wanted to be a wrestler his life.

Taker and the gang are just becoming your dad bitching about "this generations music sucks" "this generation is weak"

Pro tip, the older generation has always done that.

Bruno probably thinks taker is a soulless bitch

 

[Frank23]

 

[Based God]

I remember an episode of Austin's podcast (I think it was, I know Austin was involved in the conversation), and I can't remember who it was he was talking to, it was possibly X-Pac and he said that the locker room was a shark tank. A guy goes out there and doesn't get a pop, or they flub a line, or they botch a move, any tiny little thing, there'd be a least 10 guys sprinting to the nearest agent, booker, writer etc "Did you see that, I could be in that spot and do it better"

I think it also stems from the old 10/150 deals as opposed to the guarunteed money. Cut the guy off at the knees, take their spot higher on the card, make more money. They just need to find that middle ground between "Evil minefield" and what there is now.

We're watching guys in their underwear play cartoonish characters and pretend fight. it ain't that serious. I don't think I need performers in the pretend fight to be miserable and stabbing each other in the back to enjoy a show for a show to be watchable.

It was also a shark tank in 93-95 and there was arguably more stupid horseshit on the show back then than there is now. People cutting guys off at the knees wasn't exactly making riveting television. The Kliq destroying Shane Douglas backstage didn't make it good TV when he had to go and pretend to be a school teacher who also happened to have fist fights in the same ring as Hog Farmers, Repo Men, Hockey Goons, race car drivers, etc. lol

 

[Fonx]

I don´t know, I am firm believer that if guys really want it and fight for it backstage it shows when they´re on TV. I get a feeling from this generation that they´re comtempt with their spot, whatever that is on the card. It probably helps that jobbers and midcarders have much more financial security now .

You also have many shows where there isn´t a clear main event scene. Back in the day you knew Austin, Rock, Taker, HHH, nWo, Sting and Goldberg were closing the show no matter what. In AEW for example I barely recall the last time the world champion closed the show.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

We're watching guys in their underwear play cartoonish characters and pretend fight. it ain't that serious. I don't think I need performers in the pretend fight to be miserable and stabbing each other in the back to enjoy a show for a show to be watchable.

I'd like my pretend fighting underpants men to actually make it look like a fight and not a highschool gymnastics act.

 

[Smigg]

We're watching guys in their underwear play cartoonish characters and pretend fight. it ain't that serious. I don't think I need performers in the pretend fight to be miserable and stabbing each other in the back to enjoy a show for a show to be watchable.

It was also a shark tank in 93-95 and there was arguably more stupid horseshit on the show back then than there is now. People cutting guys off at the knees wasn't exactly making riveting television. The Kliq destroying Shane Douglas backstage didn't make it good TV when he had to go and pretend to be a school teacher who also happened to have fist fights in the same ring as Hog Farmers, Repo Men, Hockey Goons, race car drivers, etc. lol

I'm not necessarily talking about the on-screen product, I'm not even saying that guys should be sabotaging each other in order to get ahead. But at the same time, as soon as people walk into the performance centre, they all but have their asses wiped for them and there isn't really that much of an insentive to say "Screw this, I want more", and a lot that do just say it, but don't really do anything.

Peyton Royce said on her podcast that she had a meeting with Vince, and said "I want to do more" and when he said "Okay, well, what do you want to do?" and then she just sat there, not offering anything up, and that was the moment she knew that the next round of releases, she was gone. Like they said, perception is reality, so in Vince's mind, he has a performer who says "I want to do more" but didn't put any thought into what she wanted to do.

Compare that to the New Day, they had ideas, plans, designs, almost an entire portfolio of where they could say "This is our idea". Vince like the idea of them as a group, gave them the failed preacher gimmick, but it was a starting off point.

 

[Based God]

I don´t know, I am firm believer that if guys really want it and fight for it backstage it shows when they´re on TV. I get a feeling from this generation that they´re comtempt with their spot, whatever that is on the card. It probably helps that jobbers and midcarders now have much more financial security.

You also have many shows now where there isn´t a clear main event scene. Back in the day you knew Austin, Rock, Taker, HHH, nWo, Sting and Goldberg were closing the show no matter what. In AEW for example I barely recall the last time the world champion closed the show.

In AEW you have guys like Punk, Danielson, Moxley, Omega, Hangman, Jericho, MJF, etc. that seem like the clear main event scene, with guys like Darby, Sammy Guevara, PAC, etc. as upper mid card/fringe main event guys.

AEW is the only wrestling show that's enjoyable to me right now and it's also the show where you hear interviews from guys like Will Hobbs saying CM Punk sits with him in the back and rewatches his matches with him to mentor and coach him. It seems like the main event guys there are doing everything possible to make the younger guys better, instead of being paranoid for their spot and cutting guys off at the legs backstage and the shows have been great.

 

[Based God]

Don't think we need a bunch of drunken drug addicts playing high school mean girls politics to make good wrestling shows.

 

[Smigg]

Don't think we need a bunch of drunken drug addicts playing high school mean girls politics to make good wrestling shows.

I don't think anybody is really saying that, but they do need to remember that they're at work. So instead of just turning up, doing nothing until your match, then leaving before the end of the show, actually take control of your gimmick/career. WWE creative have proven, time and again, that they're almost incompetant at this point. So, instead of leaving it in the hands of people who aren't good at their jobs, stick your oar in and get involved or at least make a show of it.

 

[My Spot]

It’s those damn video games.

 

[Goatenstein]

Don't think we need a bunch of drunken drug addicts playing high school mean girls politics to make good wrestling shows.

Little crybaby can't live with the fact that that his spot monkeys aren't over like those drunken drug addicts.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

I don't think it's entirely possible to take control of your gimmick/career now in WWE. How you gonna say no to a shitty gimmick when they make you do prerecorded segments of getting injections into your ass because you think the local towns dirty residents will make you sick? They'll just take you off TV and tell everybody you've got a bad attitude. Same thing if you're given a shitty script to do a promo off and you instead go off of it and do your own thing.

 

[Fonx]

In AEW you have guys like Punk, Danielson, Moxley, Omega, Hangman, Jericho, MJF, etc. that seem like the clear main event scene, with guys like Darby, Sammy Guevara, PAC, etc. as upper mid card/fringe main event guys.

AEW is the only wrestling show that's enjoyable to me right now and it's also the show where you hear interviews from guys like Will Hobbs saying CM Punk sits with him in the back and rewatches his matches with him to mentor and coach him. It seems like the main event guys there are doing everything possible to make the younger guys better, instead of being paranoid for their spot and cutting guys off at the legs backstage and the shows have been great.

I enjoy it too, but it´s far from being great. It definetly is not can´t miss TV. About veterans helping young guys, I would even say Punk-Bryan has almost done it all in the business and their spot in AEW is more than secured, so there is no need to play any backstage politics there.

I do also believe a happy everyone get along backstage enviroment doesn´t produce a great show. There is a reason Vince has always wanted the top guys to be ruthless amongst each other and that´s because it´s definetly better for his product in the long run. If I want to be number one, like be on the very top, there ain´t no way I can walk around backstage having fun all day and getting along great with everybody if there is at least another person with the same aspirations as me, wrestling has never worked that way.

 

[Ignicious]

Did the Taskmaster and James J. work themselves into a shoot?

I saw that episode. Morrison loaned Taskmaster 7,500 dollars for a boat. Taskmaster asked him "when do you want your money back" and Morrison replied "Whenever". And in his opening statement Task read from the dictionary that the definition of whenever is "no specified date".
Steve Harvey ended up paying what he owed because he loved Rasslin'

 

[Smigg]

I don't think it's entirely possible to take control of your gimmick/career now in WWE. How you gonna say no to a shitty gimmick when they make you do prerecorded segments of getting injections into your ass because you think the local towns dirty residents will make you sick? They'll just take you off TV and tell everybody you've got a bad attitude. Same thing if you're given a shitty script to do a promo off and you instead go off of it and do your own thing.

But, on the other hand, when you're languishing in catering, or jobbing on Main Event, you can always go to the .com guys to either do something for YouTube or the website, show that you actually want to be considered for stuff as opposed to "But... I do the really good wrestling".

We go back to the New Day when it comes to shitty gimmicks (although, I didn't mind it at the time), but they threw themselves into it with a big smile on their face, they at least made a show of it. It's looking at it from the perspective of "Yeah, I hate this, but..." turn up to work throwing yourself into that shitty gimmick, they might see that and think "Well, we know that he's gonna put the effort it, let's do something with him".

Like I keep saying, there's a reason why The Miz main evented WrestleMania, and CM Punk didn't.

 

[Smigg]

In fact, speaking of shitty gimmicks, I've watched an episode of the Equalizer series with Queen Latifah, it's awful.

 

[BEAST]

@Batjester

You ever have that impending feel of doom? The daily anxiety that something terrible is going to happen soon and you can't do anything to stop it?

Spoiler

 

[GoldenAzazel]

But, on the other hand, when you're languishing in catering, or jobbing on Main Event, you can always go to the .com guys to either do something for YouTube or the website, show that you actually want to be considered for stuff as opposed to "But... I do the really good wrestling".

You mean like Zack Ryder did and then got buried and was put back to jobbing on Main Event anyway?

 

[GoldenAzazel]

Would also like to point out that Mustafa Ali was a guy who was given absolute dog shit for a gimmick/storyline, he put his heart into it to make it as good as it could be, and WWE still didn't give a fuck.

 

[Sara]

Anyone hear from @Rebelfett ?