Social Public Schools Continuing to Fail...

[nostradumbass]

Yep this is the culmination of decades of Republican action. But it’s more fun to blame it on identity politics I guess.

Could you explain how muh republicans ruined public schooling in Baltimore, Chicago, NY, DC, California, Detroit, or any of the other cities and districts that haven't had a republican in charge of anything for 50 years, and specifically how they managed the sharp drop in the last 2-10 years?

Pretty pathetic, but typical, to take full control of something, then still attempt to blame everybody but yourself when you inevitably fuck it up.

 

[Cherry Brigand]

I wonder what the average home schooling family spends per student. 2-3k per year. And test scores destroy public schools. So it's not the parents. It's not the money. Wonder what it is.

 

[HomeCheese]

you just compared the whitest states to the states with most black or Hispanic residents

Really?
Louisiana
Alaska
Alabama
Oklahoma
Mississippi
West Virginia
South Carolina
Oregon
Idaho
These states have the most blacks and hispanics?

 

[tastaylvr]

I wonder what the average home schooling family spends per student. 2-3k per year. And test scores destroy public schools. So it's not the parents. It's not the money. Wonder what it is.

Is there any data regarding this? That is surprising

Does America have standardized testing nation wide?

 

[tastaylvr]

It is literally the most relevant thing in the thread. No matter how much money you spend, the results always show the same. Asians do best in schools, whites 2nd, hispanics 3rd, African Americans last

The amount of money or the political party in charge of the education system never matters. The results always show the same exact order of ethnic background.

How does that theory work when black immigrants score better than white locals?

 

[tenniswhiz]

If kiea are doing poorly in school the fi st place to look for the cause is parents.

Yea, just tell all the parents to do what the Asian parents do.
You only got a 96% on your math test? You’re grounded.

 

[oldshadow]

Part of the problem is schools have become top heavy and want to teach the politics of their beliefs.

Most parents are not as well versed in science, math, history and such. What parents do have a right to have a say in is the morals being taught and if it's being mixed into the subjects.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Could you explain how muh republicans ruined public schooling in Baltimore, Chicago, NY, DC, California, Detroit, or any of the other cities and districts that haven't had a republican in charge of anything for 50 years, and specifically how they managed the sharp drop in the last 2-10 years?

Pretty pathetic, but typical, to take full control of something, then still attempt to blame everybody but yourself when you inevitably fuck it up.

Oh the irony.

People have already been posting it in here for me. I guess I might bother if I thought you actually cared at all and did just want to QQ about gay people more

 

[Fluffernutter]

Part of the problem is schools have become top heavy

This is a big part of the tension in our school district.

Our school district budget is getting cut.

As a result, many staff "in the trenches" are getting cut: teachers' aides, behavior staff, the attendance lady, etc.

But, at the administration level at the district office building, they are increasing staff in positions that seem pretty vague.

A colleague of mine quipped the other day "If you can go three days off work and not need coverage, is your job really needed?"

My concern is that the jobs that are being cut are those that have lots of interaction with the kids on a daily basis. So, again, our property taxes are going up, but our kids actually have less adults that interact with them.

 

[nostradumbass]

Oh the irony.

People have already been posting it in here for me. I guess I might bother if I thought you actually cared at all and did just want to QQ about gay people more

No, you'd "bother" if you actually had anything, but you don't, so instead it's just try to deflect and shift the blame to someone else. The biggest spending increases for education in the last 20 years have been under both of the republican presidents in that time



The Census Bureau’s Annual Survey of School System Finances tables released today show per pupil current spending for elementary and secondary public education (pre-K through 12th grade) for all 50 states and the District of Columbia increased 5.0% to $13,187 in FY 2019 from $12,559 in FY 2018 — the largest increase since 2008.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

This is a big part of the tension in our school district.

Our school district budget is getting cut.

As a result, many staff "in the trenches" are getting cut: teachers' aides, behavior staff, the attendance lady, etc.

But, at the administration level at the district office building, they are increasing staff in positions that seem pretty vague.

A colleague of mine quipped the other day "If you can go three days off work and not need coverage, is your job really needed?"

My concern is that the jobs that are being cut are those that have lots of interaction with the kids on a daily basis. So, again, our property taxes are going up, but our kids actually have less adults that interact with them.

It's a common thing with governments. Here they've been steadily increasing spending (and the tax take) on things like roading, Healthcare and education but a lot of the spending goes to nebulous areas like hiring more 'consultants' all while the actual outcomes in these areas get worse

 

[emefer]

Is there any data regarding this? That is surprising

Does America have standardized testing nation wide?

There’s a lot of standardized testing and it’s probably to the detriment of the students

 

[tastaylvr]

There’s a lot of standardized testing and it’s probably to the detriment of the students

I'm not knowledgeable in this area but why would standardized testing be detrimental to students? Isn't it better to have every student in the country take the same test?

 

[F1980]

Really?
Louisiana
Alaska
Alabama
Oklahoma
Mississippi
West Virginia
South Carolina
Oregon
Idaho
These states have the most blacks and hispanics?

Average SAT score by state

 

[emefer]

I'm not knowledgeable in this area but why would standardized testing be detrimental to students? Isn't it better to have every student in the country take the same test?

They aren’t like every student taking the same math test or history test. They are more performance tests and can lead to schools losing access to certain types of funding if they do bad. My ex was a special needs assistant and said they’d spend weeks just teaching to do good on the test rather than engaging in actual education. She really hated that. But the school needed to do good on the tests to get some cash. This is a simple little synopsis.
https://www.theclassroom.com/standardized-test-scores-factor-much-money-school-receive-25534.html

 

[jk7707]

Funding is defintely not the issue. Its massive mismanagement.

HISD (Houston) spends over $10.5k per student per year. And was so mismanaged it was near the bottom of the state in performance. The State of Texas had to step in and take over last year.
CCISD (Clear Lake/League City) spends $9K per student and has some of the best schools in the State. EDIT - LOL at California spending that much and still being a dumpster fire) VOTE BLUE!! haha... Keep raising taxes!! That'll do it.

Yet, the people in Houston continue to vote in the same party candidates year after year... lol. Until voting patterns change, nothing will change.

This is a dumb argument. I'm not familiar with the specifics of each district, but I'd wager that Clear Lake/League City encompasses a much more affluent area in the state than HISD. Am I correct? Poverty is the common denominator not political party. I live in a rural part of northern California where the politics are solidly Republican in every election. The school district here has a math proficiency score of 14%. Why? Because the vast majority of the kids come from impoverished families. I'm sure I could point out the same pattern, in West Virginia, South Carolina, Maine, etc. The question I posed is; How do you remedy this other than increasing funding to up teacher salaries to recruit better skilled candidates, and construct better buildings for them to teach out of?

 

[jk7707]

They aren’t like every student taking the same math test or history test. They are more performance tests and can lead to schools losing access to certain types of funding if they do bad. My ex was a special needs assistant and said they’d spend weeks just teaching to do good on the test rather than engaging in actual education. She really hated that. But the school needed to do good on the tests to get some cash. This is a simple little synopsis.
https://www.theclassroom.com/standardized-test-scores-factor-much-money-school-receive-25534.html

This. My mother was an elementary school teacher for over 30 years. And the rise of standardized testing was one of the things that lead to her retiring when she did. More and more classroom time was mandated for teaching things specifically to do better on the test, as opposed to actually benefitting the students, many of whom were at very different levels developmentally.

 

[Don Quixote]

This thread is basically saying that one political party can polish a turd a little better than the other.

 

[emefer]

This is a dumb argument. I'm not familiar with the specifics of each district, but I'd wager that Clear Lake/League City encompasses a much more affluent area in the state than HISD. Am I correct? Poverty is the common denominator not political party. I live in a rural part of northern California where the politics are solidly Republican in every election. The school district here has a math proficiency score of 14%. Why? Because the vast majority of the kids come from impoverished families. I'm sure I could point out the same pattern, in West Virginia, South Carolina, Maine, etc. The question I posed is; How do you remedy this other than increasing funding to up teacher salaries to recruit better skilled candidates, and construct better buildings for them to teach out of?

I think one aspect of poverty and education that isn’t addressed is the fact that children living in poverty are mostly malnourished from a young age leading to slower brain development.

 

[HomeCheese]

Average SAT score by state

Funny the state I live in has very low percentage of black people and is near the bottom of the overall state ranking, Hawaii. Same with Oregon, Idaho and Alaska. I'm guessing it is a little more complicated than you think.