Public Plea to Wanderlei Silva

[Lucifer Alpha]

It absolutely can change outcomes of fights. If the other judges are aware of what happened and are intimidated in how they do their job then it can change winners and losers.

Dana White was misinformed and screwed up by removing the wrong judge. That was his only blunder. Otherwise, I have no issues with what he did. A judge has a very important role in MMA and if you have a scorecard of 30-27 one way while everyone else has it 29-28 the other, you are incompetent and need to be dealt with accordingly. I wish this happened more often in combat sports.

 

[imissWECPalmer]

Exactly what fights have been fixed? It's not Pride. If news came out that the UFC fixed fights they'd be gone in a couple years.

Bisping / Hamill

case closed.

 

[imissWECPalmer]

Dana White was misinformed and screwed up by removing the wrong judge. That was his only blunder. Otherwise, I have no issues with what he did. A judge has a very important role in MMA and if you have a scorecard of 30-27 one way while everyone else has it 29-28 the other, you are incompetent and need to be dealt with accordingly. I wish this happened more often in combat sports.

why not just have an American idol type deal where people call in and choose the winner?

 

[accolyte1022]

why not just have an American idol type deal where people call in and choose the winner?

Uh..... no.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

The only reason to replace a judge mid event is to (for better or worse) alter the possible future outcomes of fights. The UFC should have suspended Dana for that appallingly unethical move which tarnished the legitimacy of the sport.

I would hope to God that if you were a promoter and a judge fucking sucked, you would remove them from their position. Otherwise, you are part of the problem. The AC isn't beyond reproach. Stop giving them so much power.

 

[GordaoPreguico]

I would hope to God that if you were a promoter and a judge fucking sucked, you would remove them from their position. Otherwise, you are part of the problem. The AC isn't beyond reproach. Stop giving them so much power.

The AC is there to give legitimacy to the event. Even when the UFC acts as their own AC oversees they still stay away from any interaction with the judges. Calling out incompetence is one thing but removing a judge because you dont like how they scored makes the viewing public look down on the legitimacy of the sport. Which is exactly why Dana got spanked by Zuffa when he got back.

 

[TheWolfsHowl]

I dunno, with some of the stuff he's been saying you'd think he's a Sherdogger.

He's actually 5 Sherdoggers.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

The AC is there to give legitimacy to the event. Even when the UFC acts as their own AC oversees they still stay away from any interaction with the judges. Calling out incompetence is one thing but removing a judge because you dont like how they scored makes the viewing public look down on the legitimacy of the sport. Which is exactly why Dana got spanked by Zuffa when he got back.

Like I said, you are giving the AC too much authority. I want to see incompetence dealt with swiftly and the current system in place protects these maladroit muttonheads from ever having to answer for their crimes. I commend Dana for this and support his intentions one-hundred percent, he just royally fucked up by booting the wrong dude.

 

[Word]

The AC is there to give legitimacy to the event. Even when the UFC acts as their own AC oversees they still stay away from any interaction with the judges. Calling out incompetence is one thing but removing a judge because you dont like how they scored makes the viewing public look down on the legitimacy of the sport. Which is exactly why Dana got spanked by Zuffa when he got back.

Perfect summary.

Lucifer, I get trying to delegitimize the commission and erode their authority (I think the UFC could do a better job, assuming some sort of board of directors and general oversight could be established) but there are ways to go about doing that. Yanking (the wrong) judge from a fight isn't one of them, surely.

 

[WhiskeyPunch]

Sometimes walking away with a casual smile leaving behind only your accomplishments is the right thing to do. With that said...I think his warrior spirit wont allow that.

 

[GordaoPreguico]

Like I said, you are giving the AC too much authority. I want to see incompetence dealt with swiftly and the current system in place protects these maladroit muttonheads from ever having to answer for their crimes. I commend Dana for this and support his intentions one-hundred percent, he just royally fucked up by booting the wrong dude.

And that is intimidation that leads to people questioning the legitimacy of the sport and then the death of the sport. Do judges get things wrong? Yes, but to remove one in the middle of an event takes the eyes off of the judge and pointed directly at the organization that removed them. Work through the ACs for better education of judges, some sort of evaluation, etc but any other course of action will not work out well for anyone involved.

Remember there is alot of money on the line in Vegas on these fights. Anything that can be looked at as shady will get alot of attention. And not the good type of attention.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

And that is intimidation that leads to people questioning the legitimacy of the sport and then the death of the sport. Do judges get things wrong? Yes, but to remove one in the middle of an event takes the eyes off of the judge and pointed directly at the organization that removed them. Work through the ACs for better education of judges, some sort of evaluation, etc but any other course of action will not work out well for anyone involved.

According to a lot of MMA fans, the sport's golden-age was when it was controlled by the Yakuza, so I'm not sure how important "legitimacy" is in the eyes of MMA fans. Nevertheless, we can tell when shenanigans are afoot, and removing a crappy judge isn't something to get up in arms about. That's a positive, not a negative.

Also, to stitch-back to the Pride comment, they didn't have a retarded AC governing their fights, and what did we get? The best rule set in MMA. OneFC; same thing. Notice a trend?

 

[FootstompShonie]

Wand doesnt read forums homie

Wand doesn't read period.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Sounds more like "Wanderlei I'm your biggest fan but I'm an even bigger fan of a fightsport promoter so please don't say anything bad about them or i'll have to hate you".

It really is a sad situation where in when people are emotionally invested in the UFC brand over the fighters, surely the whole point of watching sport is some kind of inspiration from the skill/heart/achievement of individuals? I know corperate worship is strong in the US but I just can't understand carrying more about the bottom line of a casino mogul.