PS5 announced for 2020 Holiday Season

[SeefourDC]

Was reading an article about an interview today by a developer saying the Xbox bottlenecks badly and the ps5 is a much better platform to program for. Looking forward to the new platform tbh. Game systems for gamers woo!

 

[method115]

Was reading an article about an interview today by a developer saying the Xbox bottlenecks badly and the ps5 is a much better platform to program for. Looking forward to the new platform tbh. Game systems for gamers woo!

did he say what exactly is causing the bottle neck?

 

[Madmick]

did he say what exactly is causing the bottle neck?

He's probably talking about the retracted Crytek dev's blog, and he didn't really say it bottlenecked, he just said it was easier to develop for the PS5 due to the uneven RAM speed pool in the XSX.

 

[SeefourDC]

did he say what exactly is causing the bottle neck?

@Madmick touched on it but there were some other highlights that are worth pointing to such as the non industry standard storage expansion choices which ironically Sony has already made that mistake in the past and appears to have learned from it. The other thing I’ve seen noted is that the Xbox software was noted as an area of concern.

This is a more general statement but Sony has made numerous mistakes over the years and I think it’s unfortunate that Microsoft’s desire to be more than just a gaming console are pushing them to repeat some of those mistakes. Specifically as an example weird architectures like the ram requiring special designing around often result in your games being a little undertuned so the Xbox may need the extra teraflops to deal with the issues it’s created. The games that are exclusive tend to turn out really well cause they are targeted but if a company is making it for multiple platforms anything extra for your platform often gets your game detuned to run well. Sony did this with its weird PS3 processor design choice.

Really though as always it will come down to games. For me Sony always has the best exclusives so I know I’m getting a ps5. I didn’t get an Xbox last gen cause no game demanded I pick up the console (rip scalebound we hardly knew ye).

 

[Woldog]

New controllers kind of look like an Xbox One controller.

 

[Deadwing88]

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yet another reason to hold off buying a PS5.

They're going to be hard to find, unless you're willing to pay the scalpers on Ebay.

 

[method115]

Yet another reason to hold off buying a PS5.

They're going to be hard to find, unless you're willing to pay the scalpers on Ebay.

if you preorder you’ll be fine. That’s what I always do.

 

[Wingslaught]

Yet another reason to hold off buying a PS5.

They're going to be hard to find, unless you're willing to pay the scalpers on Ebay.

If it's not 100% backwards compatible with PS4 I definitely will hold off too since I've got about 40-50 games left to finish on PS4.

Also, it looks like the controller is very similar to the XBox one now.

 

[Dizzy]

I’m not an early adopter after replacing my original 360 3 times.

I usually let the masses beta test and I jump in a couple of years down the road.

 

[method115]

I usually let the masses beta test and I jump in a couple of years down the road.

I never get those store warranties for anything I buy but on consoles I always buy it. Easily worth the extra $50. Deals like that would have killed stores like best buy if they had it when the 360 came out.

 

[Hitman81]

Limited consoles. No games. Sounds great.

I think I'll just stick to my PS4 and all the new games coming out over the next 6 months.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

If it's not 100% backwards compatible with PS4 I definitely will hold off too since I've got about 40-50 games left to finish on PS4.

Also, it looks like the controller is very similar to the XBox one now.

To me, backwards compatibility for a console I already own is pointless.

And I'm not under the delusion that these new consoles are going to last a very long time. Its stupid to wear them out by playing old games on them.

 

[Wingslaught]

To me, backwards compatibility for a console I already own is pointless.

And I'm not under the delusion that these new consoles are going to last a very long time. Its stupid to wear them out by playing old games on them.

I take a completely different view, to me the PS5 would be my new main console but if I can't play the many, many games that I already own on it since the PS4 is still in its prime, imo, then I can safely hold off on a purchase. I doubt there will be many killer apps at launch anyway although The Last of Us II will probably be on it.

Now if Grand Theft Auto VI or God of War 2 are launch games and they look good, then maybe I'll bite.

 

[Dizzy]

I never get those store warranties for anything I buy but on consoles I always buy it. Easily worth the extra $50. Deals like that would have killed stores like best buy if they had it when the 360 came out.

I typically don’t buy warranties on anything that isn’t going to be difficult financially to replace. Thankfully my 360 was covered by their extended warranties so I didn’t have to pay out of pocket.

Waiting a bit seems to work for me. I haven’t had any of my consoles crap out on me since.

 

[method115]

I typically don’t buy warranties on anything that isn’t going to be difficult financially to replace. Thankfully my 360 was covered by their extended warranties so I didn’t have to pay out of pocket.

Waiting a bit seems to work for me. I haven’t had any of my consoles crap out on me since.

My only issue has been my ps4 pro. CD player crapped out quickly like just over a year after getting it. Not to big of an issue as I was all digital anyways but I did use gamestop to try out a game and return it within 7 days. Then go buy the digital if I wanted to keep playing it. Not an option anymore.

 

[4daLuLZ]

We built a 'next-gen' Zen 2/Navi-based PC - how much faster is it than current-gen consoles?
Eurogamer doing their thing. They and Digital Foundry are just about the only websites that know their asses from their elbows that devote any kind of serious space towards technical speculation & analyses of the consoles:

This is what Asus decided ought to perform roughly equally to the PS5. Eurogamer and Digital Foundry usually afford ~30% processing power overhead to their mimic PC in order to acknowledge the advantage in optimization the console versions of games are afforded.

• CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X with Wraith Prism cooler
• GPU: Asus ROG Strix RX 5700XT (RX 5700 also used)
• Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix B450F Gaming
• Memory: 2x 8GB DDR4 3600MHz
• Storage: 1TB NVMe SSD
• Power Supply: Asus ROG 650W
• Optical Drive: Pioneer 4K UHD Blu-ray
• Case: Coolermaster N300

The GPU's clock really is impressively high, but on top of that, easily the most impressive jump here will be in CPU performance. Leaping from 1.8GHz in the previous gen's baseline to 3.2GHz, still octacore, with the even higher RISC architectural improvements, is going to supercharge the consoles, especially if they manage to use GDDR6 RAM as shared system RAM again like they did with GDDR5 for the PS4.

It's no wonder the Dev Kit has a design that is so obviously devoted to better cooling.

Plus the GPU has 3 speed settings, 800mhz, 911hmz and 2ghz from the Oberon tests. 800mhz is the PS4 clock and 911mhz is the Pro clock speeds. So they have the speeds ready for the Backwards Compatibility PS4 stuff.

Plus hopefully the 5700XT is just the tip of the iceberg for the GPU as i wouldn't be surprised if some RDNA 2 features are chucked in alongside the hardware ray tracing stuff.

I understand what he's trying to say (it's 100% gonna smoke the PS4 performance for it's time) but I think he's overshooting it a little bit. The CPU is gonna have a single core boost of 3.2ghz but all cores I don't see it consistently being past the mid 2ghz.

GPU will be good but I don't see it being groundbreaking. I see it in the third party 2060 (non super), 1080, 5700 non XT realm.

Performance will be good but when it comes out it will reality is it will be on par with an almost 2 year old mid tier PC. That's why I laughed when he threw a $300+ CPU in there and said because of 30% overhead but the consoles are the ones currently disabling 25% of the cores for games.

Still will be good. When the PS4 came out you could literally buy a GPU 2x faster for $150 and the PS4 was using a lowend laptop CPU. Nothing close to that will happen next holiday

I hope it doesn't get downgraded 2x last last gen.

All these editors where ranting about how the PS4 developers kit was on par with a 7950, then changed months later to now "7870 performance" then when it finally came out it was barely on par with a stock 7850 and the xboxone was even a slower than that

That's why I don't get too excited with these leaks/predictions. They talk big talk but reality is there trying to make money on selling these + power restrictions. Don't get me wrong though, it will be good (just having an SSD and getting rid of the garbage Jaguar CPU alone is huge)

I know about the software enhancements on the GPU drivers since July this is hardware enhancement with Sony specific hardware and microcode modifications. Sony been working on their own specific hardware modifications for their SOC. AMD actually through open source ray tracing API been able to handle it for a few years in realtime with substantial CPU overhead. Nvidia implementation is hardware based and beat AMD to market by over a year this was the reason why AMD downplayed the significance of the technology and released their software drivers. The biggest win for Nvidia was being able to decompress large and very large texture maps and raytrace the lighting in realtime using 2080 or the 2070 TI with these advanced shaders. AMD will have their own hardware based solution in early 2020 and possibly being a superior solution given the extra time they took on the NAVI related stuff.

Agreed. I don't mind the 30% buffer in terms of FLOP power afforded to the analogue build, since despite pure horsepower parity the Radeon 7850 obviously can't keep up with the PS4 practically in 2019, but the R7-3700X definitely appears to be overkill affording well above a 30% increase in FLOP power. After all, the 3700X is an 8-core (16-thread!) CPU that turbos on all cores to at least 3.9GHz. I'll wait until we see figures on FLOPs and all that before I scruple anything more closely, but I'm impressed by the clocks on both the CPU and GPU.

I knew that "10 year roadmap" was bullshit in 2013. Called that. Hell, not only could they not stick to 10 years, as pitifully underpowered as the PS4 and Xbox One were, but they couldn't even make it to 5 years before they had to release an upgrade revision with the Pro and X units.

Sooo........PS 5 gud or no ?

 

[4daLuLZ]

I still have my day one fat PS3 and play SOTN, Dragon Quest 8, and many older PS games on it. I do miss console hockey games...Hell i still fire up NHL 94 on my pc SNES emulator.

 

[4daLuLZ]

So far the biggest selling point for XBX is, just like the XB1, is its more powerful than the PS4/PS5.

The question is, what exclusive XB1 games REALLY took advantage of XB1's superior hardware?

Which XB1 games did people say...'Woah, this looks/performs better than whatever is on PS4" ...?

(I'm not saying the answer is none, but its relatively few)

As for the cross-platform games, yes, they did look and play better on XB1, but only by a small margin because XB1 & PS4 had similar specs.

Now that that PS5 & XBX's specs are out and XBX's are clearly better (though PS5 has the speed advantage), the question is will exclusive XBX games take advantage of the hardware and blow away PS5's exclusives?

Time till tell.

And, will the cross-platform developers settle for similar performance between PS5/XBX games, or put out the effort to give XBX's version superior performance?

Time will tell.

I'm not a Sony apologist for their... lackluster... PS5 specs, and I'm not overly impressed by their SSD speed, although I am intrigued if/how it will be implemented. My overall point is specs are a 'promise' of superior performance in games, but they're not a result.

The only time I cared for Xbox was when Halo came out. Finished it n then sold it n bought a playstation.

Hate the Xbox remotes.

 

[560ti]

Sooo........PS 5 gud or no ?

It will be faster than the PS4 was for it's time for sure.

Consoles like they do every generation are hyping themselves up as highend and groundbreaking but talk is cheap. Ranting about SSD (technology that has been around for awhile) TFlops (which is a poor metric of GPU performance) and max possible clock rate (which won't equal real world clockrate) all does not impress me.

I'm not saying this won't be a great machine and a good value but I'm not buying the extreme rumors and hype that is being pushed around to boost sales