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Professional Wrestling Discussion Thread III

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Rise Lord Vader said:
did anyone see chris jerico on the fox singing show man he try to sing a love song but he's rock on roll.

I'm a huge Fozzy fan, and his whiskey soaked vocals rule, but those vocals do not translate to a country ballad duet.

However his rendition of "Signed, Sealed, Delivered" was pretty good with Peter Frampton.

I think he's better off getting eliminated. Reviews of the show thus far have been highly negative despite only one episode airing, and I'd rather watch this than see them dance. But Jericho will be off of the show while it gets bashed week after week, so he's better off.

However I think its great to note how ignorant the judges were about Jericho. After his duet with Frampton, the producer judge who looks an awful lot like Ron White told him, "You should be fronting a rock n' roll band." He played it off pretty well though, saying "That sounds like a good idea."
 
White Snake said:
If they bring back Sean Waltman for DX, that would really be beating a dead horse. It's really sad how that guy's career success is only due to the NWO and DX.

It doesn't help that he's one of the flakiest pros of all time either.


And man The Rock sure looked skinny last night at the MTV VMAs.
 
Heard on the way out the door this morning:

There was a commercial for the Tyra Banks Show on and Stacey Kiebler said that Playboy called her five times to pose.

/random
 
And man The Rock sure looked skinny last night at the MTV VMAs.

He's trying to NOT pull a Vin Diesel and be forever type-cast because of his size. And if you saw some of the scenes where he was in the house in Walking Tall you see how big he really appears on-screen. He looked like a GIANT compared to pretty much everyone he's been in a film with aside from Michael Clarke Duncan who wasn't THAT MUCH bigger than Rock in SK.

And since he doesn't have Michael's acting pedigree, he's having to give up bodyweight to be considered a viable commodity.
 
The Angle situation gets worse:

The WWE mobile alert sent out a message today that the meeting between Kurt Angle and WWE executives last Friday was "heated and confrontational" and labeled Angle as an "emotional wreck" when he left the building.

We should have more on this later.

Thanks to Keith Lipinski

Just out of curiosity, does anyone think that the WWE should have kept Angle on the payroll while he takes care of his problems? Sometimes I think they should not have released him and gave him a steady paycheck. Other times I think it would be an expensive precedent to start and the future consequences would be bad for the WWE. But the WWE does have 300 million in cash reserves.............
 
Kurt Angle was / is going through a divorce from his pregnant wife so emotionally he is shot; physically (from what was posted online) he tore his abdominal muscle as well as his hemstring not to mention all the problems with his neck. he deserved a break, but since wwe isn't doing well in ratings they needed to push him as an attraction in ecw. if he didn't quit he quite possibly would have ended up like eddie G. or brian pillman...

vince would have paid him for awhile out of respect for his situation, but he would have expected him back sooner than he would have liked

vince is satan
 
peves said:
Heard on the way out the door this morning:

There was a commercial for the Tyra Banks Show on and Stacey Kiebler said that Playboy called her five times to pose.

/random
Oh yea, Trish too.
 
ced316 said:
vince would have paid him for awhile out of respect for his situation, but he would have expected him back sooner than he would have liked

vince is satan

I don't think that's the case. Vince has a history of nursing his performers through all kinds of trouble, both personal and medicinal - William (Don't Call Me Steven" Regal, Davey Boy Smith, etc. He genuinely cares for his workers and I'm sure that he'd have done the same for Angle (who has made him tons of cash) had it been possible.

If Vince is just showing Angle the door like that, there has to be a lot going on that we don't know about.
 
Excelsior said:
I don't think that's the case. Vince has a history of nursing his performers through all kinds of trouble, both personal and medicinal - William (Don't Call Me Steven" Regal, Davey Boy Smith, etc. He genuinely cares for his workers and I'm sure that he'd have done the same for Angle (who has made him tons of cash) had it been possible.

If Vince is just showing Angle the door like that, there has to be a lot going on that we don't know about.

Vince and the company have reportedly soured on Angle very much over the last few days. Supposedly he hasn't taken steps to remedy his situation, and its said that it could be very likely we see him somewhere after his no-compete clause expires.

Frankly I'd be hard pressed to believe I'd see Angle anywhere but in a WWE ring, and I just wish the guy would take some time off, kick the pills, and let his wounds heal so he can give 110% and not be in danger of horrible injury or with the painkillers an early grave.
 
For those who don't want to click, here's the letter:

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To all my respective fans in WWE/ECW, The letter you are about to read is not from WWE, nor from my agent, but from me- Kurt Angle…to my all fans. This is my personal 'Thank You’ straight from my heart, to all my fans for being here with me and providing me with the most honorable privilege to perform and entertain for you. Thank you for tuning into your TVs weekly, for visiting me at hundreds of house show chanting 'You Suck’ (I love that phrase), to every single good, bad or indifferent e-mail I’ve received over the past 6 years and continue to receive daily. Thank you for being there and making my life truly blessed. When I came to WWE, many fans had doubts that an Olympic Gold Medalist in Amateur Wrestling could turn and master the art of Sports Entertainment. To my humble surprise, God graciously granted me the gift to make this exciting transition in my life. Coming into the WWE, I had one goal in mind...to be the VERY BEST! Many say I am; some may say I'm not. But I want you to know with over six solid years of non-stop wrestling action under my belt from all the shows to the world tours...I treated every single match as if it were my last! I’ve never known a time in my life from training, competition or entertainment that I have not tried to give over 100%. I honestly do not know of any other way to wrestle or perform, and I have always wanted to give YOU, the fans, what I would expect to see.

From the entertainment standpoint, (good guy or bad guy), it’s been truly exciting, but I know in my heart that I have not reached my peak. Critics have compared me to very honorable wrestlers like Rick Flair, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker, all of whom I value and truly respect. But there is one BIG difference between us. I am by far the most aggressive and intense athlete of all on the mat. When I step into the ring, I treat it as real, it feels real and then I play it like a real shoot fight.

As an amateur wrestler for 23 years and a pro for 6, unfortunately over the past 4 years I have suffered many injuries. I broke my neck twice and had two major neck surgeries. I’ve fractured my ribs, hip, tailbone, fingers and toes while also tearing almost every major muscle at least one time or another. Injuries have always been a natural part of the business and my life, but where I have failed is not taking the time off to recover. When I’m off the mental stress, sitting back becomes worse than the physical pain. Something tells my inner soul to go back regardless of the condition. The funny thing is, this obsession is what the industry loves, but this obsession can also be my destruction.

Week after week, day after day, 250 days a year on the road can be a living hell for anyone, especially when you’re in daily pain for months on end. It was at home when I began to realize how severe the problems were- when a simple task like taking out the garbage is like a full workout and I needed Motrin in order to get up and do it. It’s time to rest! After 6 long years, I looked into my wife’s eyes and finally saw that she, too, was severely stressed and worn out due to my livelihood that she had to endure. My 3-year old daughter Kyra basically became my nurse, thinking she had to put ice packs or heating pads on my neck, back and legs because she could see the pain her daddy was in. At this point, something happened that made me realize that wrestling wasn't the most important thing in my life. I sat down with my wife Karen, who had tears in her eyes. I could see in her face how concerned she was for me. She said,

"I love you. I didn't marry you because you were a WWE Superstar. I married you before you ever joined them. Kurt, I’m so worried that if you continue going at this pace, something bad is really going to happen and I don't want Kyra and Kody (our unborn son) to grow up without their father."

I did take this all to heart, but then, as usual, a couple of days later, I went back on the road, wanting to electrify my new ECW fans.

My last event was at the Westchester Arena in White Plains, New York. The show was sold out. The main event was me against RVD. I had a great match against RVD as the fans were cheering for both of us. The more we wrestled (Rob and I wrestle more of a realistic shoot style), the more I wanted to give them. Ten minutes into the match, I severely pulled my groin. Most wrestlers would have quit right on the spot. But the fans were chanting louder and louder "THIS MATCH RULES!" continuously, so I kept going. Compensating for my groin injury, I pulled my lower abdominal muscle off my pelvic bone. Now, I was in trouble, but I looked up at the fans and they were screaming louder than ever.

So Rob and I started into our finish, false finish after false finish, back and forth. But the one thing the fans noticed is that I was doing half of the match on one leg. That made it feel even more real for the fans. I can only thank God and the fans for keeping me going, as I was in so much pain. And at the end of the match, I had the opportunity to beat RVD. I set him up for the Angle Slam and Rob countered with a flying DDT. My hamstring blew out. The fans cheered and I could not move in the ring. As the agonizing pain grew greater, I could only look around. Every fan was on their feet giving me a standing ovation. And this was at a house show, not a PPV. My only regret was that I could not stand up and thank them all for it. To the ones who love me, the ones who hated me and even the ones who loved to hate me- You were and are my inspiration. God was and is my strength and so is my family—my Mom, sister and brothers, my father (God rest his soul), my Manager Dave Hawk and most especially, my wife Karen, who went through hell during my career. She has never given up on me.

Fans, thank you all for the memories. It was quite a ride. I would not trade any of it for the world. As I sit here a bit teary eyed, I do want all of you to know, I will be fine. I will finally get to spend some real quality time with my family… time that is much, much overdue. My plan and goal is to become stronger mentally, physically and spiritually. I, Kurt Angle, will be back! That’s a promise. And that’s DAMN TRUE!

Vince, if you happen to read this, I want to again say thank you from the bottom of my heart. You are a great man!

When we get together, the next cup of coffee is on me. ; )

God Bless, Kurt Angle
 
Sounds like Kurt's reconciling across the board. Glad to see that his family situation seems to be improving, and that all bridges haven't been burned with the McMahons.
 
Meltzer said to take the letter at face value. I tend to believe Dave since the letter was posted before the relationship began to sour.
 
Kurt is a great man & will be missed.

I had the chance/pleasure to meet Kurt once & was impressed with the kind of a man he was. Watching him interact with his fans, espacially kids, was really something special.
 
How ironic that a guy who sacrificed his body to the business wasnt a fan of it growing up. Kurt Angle really is a hero.
 
BrooklynBomber said:
However I think its great to note how ignorant the judges were about Jericho. After his duet with Frampton, the producer judge who looks an awful lot like Ron White told him, "You should be fronting a rock n' roll band." He played it off pretty well though, saying "That sounds like a good idea."


The worst part is that that judge, David Foster, is a fellow Canuck.


Anyways, it seems like for the first time in a looong time I'm just going to not bother watching RAW tonight. Seriously the only half decent fued is Carlito vs. Randy Orton. As for Smackdown! all they have to offer is Mr. Kennedy's U.S. title run, and JBL as the best heel commentator since Bobby Heenan. Man, how did it get this bad.
 
A Bird said:
The worst part is that that judge, David Foster, is a fellow Canuck.


Anyways, it seems like for the first time in a looong time I'm just going to not bother watching RAW tonight. Seriously the only half decent fued is Carlito vs. Randy Orton. As for Smackdown! all they have to offer is Mr. Kennedy's U.S. title run, and JBL as the best heel commentator since Bobby Heenan. Man, how did it get this bad.

Man that Foster gives the Canadian part of me a bad name.

But in response to the second half of this post, WWE has issued a statement on another "new and entertaining" RAW segment.

From WWE.com

"Tonight a new tag team, Cryme Tyme, will be introduced to the RAW audience. In an effort to humor and entertain our fans the tag team known as Cryme Tyme will be parodying racial stereotypes.

Shad Gaspard and JTG do outlandish, outrageous
 
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