Prior to Bisping, Georges St. Pierre went 11 years without finishing a Welterweight.

[The Natural Born Runner]

Yes, Michael Bisping is an impressive win, especially by stoppage and especially coming off a 4 year hiatus.

With all that said, I've started to see the usual increase in "GSP is the GOAT" threads, now that Chael P. Sonnen has started preaching it again. Look, I love Chael, but this is coming from a man who has lost to both Anderson and Jones, as well as potentially fighting Fedor in the near future. He is just plain wrong on this.

The idea is that Georges St. Pierre completely nullifies his opponents and therefore he is the best. I don't see this logic whatsoever. If there is a fight in the street and I punch you so hard that you're knocked unconscious, then I pretty much nullified you. How is laying on someone for 25 minutes any more dominating than that?

Georges St. Pierre went 11 YEARS without finishing someone who was legitimately a Welterweight or bigger.

Straight up, BJ Penn was never a Welterweight and neither was Matt Serra, I'm sorry but that is just the truth.

Matt Serra was 8-5 at 170lbs

BJ Penn was 3-5-1 at 170lbs / 5-6-1 in fights above 155lbs in total.

Come on guys, you cannot be the GOAT without stoppages.

 

[Rehydrated Dos Anjos]

You can be the GOAT if you dominate fighters with 50-45 without any PED scandals whilst winning many title fights. Was GSP the most entertaining at times? No. But it only seemed like that since everyone he fought succumbed to his greatness. Wiped out a division two and possibly three times without much adversity besides the Hendricks fight and Condit knockdown, that's some GOAT stuff.

 

[Franklin U.]

Agreed, one of the greats but can't CAN'T label him GOAT...

 

[Wariowokecancel]

And he finished a guy who used to fight at LHW.

Cleared his division 2.5 times and won/lost against a probably roiding Hendricks who refused voluntary drug testing PAID for by GSP (while accusing GSP of roiding) and now is a prelim fighter under USADA testing. GSP comes back when USADA started busting cheaters like Jones and Silva.

Meanwhile GSP is still a winner.

 

[Fyreborn]

Chael has nothing to do with people calling GSP GOAT. I’d never even heard of this, and I doubt many have. People rushed to call him GOAT afer he beat a guy who wasn’t even among the five best MWs.

It became less popular after Gastelum killed Bisping. But, people majorly overhyped the Bisping win.

Anyway, while finishing is more impressive on some level, a 50-45 is also very impressive. Don’t compare to street fights - he’s fighting other pro fighters. Most street fights end quick because both guys are scrubs, one guy tends to be much better than the other, and sucker punches/surprise TDs are common leading to whoever attacks first having a big edge.

GSP would wreck shit in street fights against mortal men.

I don’t think there’s a clear GOAT. Fedor, Anderson, Jones, GSP all have legit cases.

 

[Otto!]

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

You can be the GOAT if you dominate fighters with 50-45 without any PED scandals whilst winning many title fights. Was GSP the most entertaining at times? No. But it only seemed like that since everyone he fought succumbed to his greatness. Wiped out a division two and possibly three times without much adversity besides the Hendricks fight and Condit knockdown, that's some GOAT stuff.

How can you be the GOAT if you do not make your opponent quit in a fight, when other GOAT contenders do?

Only way I can see that is if the competition was much stronger right?

Was it stronger? I'm not so sure about that.

He was also knocked out by a guy small enough to be a Featherweight, lost over 25 minutes to Hendricks, arguably lost to Penn the first time around and was submitted by Hughes. The guy has his blemishes just like everyone else does. I do not see these blemishes on Jones' record though and he beat just as good competition in better fashion.

 

[VERBAL-FEDOR]

GSP was a point fighter and never wanted to move up to challenge a true MW champ. He came out of hiding once he saw a stylistically favorable and let’s face it, joke of a MW “champ” to challenge.

Great WW but Not the GOAT at all.

And if he is endorsed by Troll, cheater , quitter Shale, then well.....

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Chael has nothing to do with people calling GSP GOAT. I’d never even heard of this, and I doubt many have. People rushed to call him GOAT afer he beat a guy who wasn’t even among the five best MWs.

It became less popular after Gastelum killed Bisping. But, people majorly overhyped the Bisping win.

Anyway, while finishing is more impressive on some level, a 50-45 is also very impressive. Don’t compare to street fights - he’s fighting other pro fighters. Most street fights end quick because both guys are scrubs, one guy tends to be much better than the other, and sucker punches/surprise TDs are common leading to whoever attacks first having a big edge.

GSP would wreck shit in street fights against mortal men.

I don’t think there’s a clear GOAT. Fedor, Anderson, Jones, GSP all have legit cases.

50-45 is never more impressive than a finish, it just isn't.

Take fighter A and fighter B. If A beats B by stoppage it'll always be better than beating B via 50-45.

 

[Cooliox]

won 33 consecutive rounds at WW

Utter domination

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

And he finished a guy who used to fight at LHW.

Cleared his division 2.5 times and won/lost against a probably roiding Hendricks who refused voluntary drug testing PAID for by GSP (while accusing GSP of roiding) and now is a prelim fighter under USADA testing. GSP comes back when USADA started busting cheaters like Jones and Silva.

Meanwhile GSP is still a winner.

What you mean cleared it 2.5 times? Where does 2.5 come from?

 

[VERBAL-FEDOR]

won 33 consecutive rounds at WW

Utter domination

Tapped to strikes in his prime to a LW....

A mediocre LW at that....

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

won 33 consecutive rounds at WW

Utter domination

Sure.

How many did Jones win in a row before he lost a round to Gustafsson?

 

[peterparker66]

who is the GOAT then .
Anderson who was beaten by the MW that GSP finished and who has popped for PEDS twice now.
Jones who yes had an impressive streak but also hadn't finished a fight in along time and has been busted by USADA twice .

you are entitled to your own opinion but IMO I don't see any fighter ATM that is a better candidate as GOAT then GSP is

 

[Fyreborn]

50-45 is never more impressive than a finish, it just isn't.

Take fighter A and fighter B. If A beats B by stoppage it'll always be better than beating B via 50-45.

That’s totally incorrect.

If you get dominated, then get a fluke KO out of nowhere, it isn’t as good as a dominant 50-45 shutout.

Between those two results, all else equal, obviously the guy who won by 50-45 would be favored in a rematch - while the guy who won by random KO after getting dominated might well be the underdog.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

who is the GOAT then .
Anderson who was beaten by the MW that GSP finished and who has popped for PEDS twice now.
Jones who yes had an impressive streak but also hadn't finished a fight in along time and has been busted by USADA twice .

you are entitled to your own opinion but IMO I don't see any fighter ATM that is a better candidate as GOAT then GSP is

Jones just headkicked one of the greatest fighters of all-time into a mini-coma...

Anderson "lost to Bisping", come on shunnn... Anderson was 40 fights deep, was in his 40's and still arguably won the fight.

Don't compare losing to Bisping when you're past it, to losing to men like Matt Serra in your prime.

 

[Cooliox]

Tapped to strikes in his prime to a LW....

Indeed. A critical point in GSP's career.

His arrogance got checked, he overcame it with hardwork and dedication and became undefeated since... including winning 33 consecutive rounds, and championships in 2 divisons.

GOAT

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

That’s totally incorrect.

If you get dominated, then get a fluke KO out of nowhere, it isn’t as good as a dominant 50-45 shutout.

Between those two results, all else equal, obviously the guy who won by 50-45 would be favored in a rematch - while the guy who won by random KO after getting dominated might well be the underdog.

Okay, so eliminate the rarity of a fluke KO for a second and then rethink your point.

How common are "fluke KO's"? What is a fluke KO?

Could we somehow call Ngannou's KO over Overeem a fluke? I sure wouldn't, but using your logic, could it be?

Could we call RDA's 50-45 over Lawler a fluke? It was competitive until Lawler tore his knee, that appeared to happen by a complete accident. Would it have been 50-45 without that injury? Is Silva/Cote a fluke? Woodley/Condit?

Taking dodgy circumstances away, Anderson front kicking Belfort is always better than GSP laying on Alves.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Indeed. A critical point in GSP's career.

His arrogance got checked, he overcame it with hardwork and dedication and became undefeated since... including winning 33 consecutive rounds, and championships in 2 divisons.

GOAT

"undefeated" lol.

Also, when were these consecutive 33 rounds? Between what period?

 

[VERBAL-FEDOR]

"undefeated" lol.

Also, when were these consecutive 33 rounds? Between what period?

1 career win at MW against a career journeyman, vacates immediately in fear of fighting an actually contender and now GSP is a 2 division champ....

Undisputed GOAT.....hmmm