Primer on WMMA and the Ronda/Cyborg situation. Cyborg is the one who has ducked/ran

[clayj]

You must be trolling yourself.

Ok, now you're trolling too hard, even a blind person can see Ronda is way out of shape at 145 copared to 135.

 

[Kinku]

If cyborg was not caught for cheating I would been fine having a catch weight fight. At this point ronda had no one else to fight.

Ronda moving down to 135 to avoid cyborg was not the only reason why she did it. In my opinion the fight between Ronda and Tate is easier to sell than Ronda vs cyborg.

 

[FountOfWisdom]

Source please.

Here is Cyborg weighing 175
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/3/2/...an-she-drop-to

You have a pic of Ronda on a scale weighing 164+?


Someone snuffed that out real quick

Dana said she walks around at 160-165 Cyborg used to walk around at 170 maybe its 175 now
so 175 - 145 = 30lbs
and 165 - 135 = 30lbs

and because its ~30lbs for both Ronda cuts more in % of body weight. Anyway both cut ( alot for women ) and so this should not be used trying to discredit one of them.

 

[clayj]

Dana said she walks around at 160-165 Cyborg used to walk around at 170 maybe its 175 now
so 175 - 145 = 30lbs
and 165 - 135 = 30lbs

and because its ~30lbs for both Ronda cuts more in % of body weight. Anyway both cut ( alot for women ) and so this should not be used trying to discredit one of them.

Is this the same Dana White that you think is full of shit?

 

[FountOfWisdom]

If cyborg was not caught for cheating I would been fine having a catch weight fight. At this point ronda had no one else to fight.

Ronda moving down to 135 to avoid cyborg was not the only reason why she did it. In my opinion the fight between Ronda and Tate is easier to sell than Ronda vs cyborg.

True. Only difference I'd still be fine with catchweight or 145 simply bc its nearer to Rondas natural weightclass then 145 is to Cyborgs. I fully appreciate the fact that Cyborg has at this point much more to win then Rousey so I understand Rousey not wanting to take the risk.

 

[The5thgod]

I kind of agree with you there but this whole who ducked who is dumb the fact of the matter is that this fight is out of RR and cyborgs hands. The UFC (Dana) has all the say in this and to put it bluntly if there is no long term plus there not going to do it. Not to protect RR cause the have no problem killing off a cash cow (brock Kimbo Slice) as long as they have another one to take its place and as much shit as Dana talks about cyborg if he could get her to 135 clean he'd market the shit out of her too.

I agree, but there's more of a mystique about Rousey than Kimbo or Brock seeing that Rousey hasn't been beaten yet.

 

[The5thgod]

My "warped" reasoning comes from having a Bachelor degree in Kinesiology and being a certified personal trainer who closely worked with registered and licensed dieticians. So, unlike you, I have a modest understanding of human physiology affected by nutrition [eg; calorie restriction].

Even if what you're saying is true it doesn't matter!!! You're trying to pull out weight and nutrition facts which mean shit to what I'm saying.

 

[The5thgod]

Ok, now you're trolling too hard, even a blind person can see Ronda is way out of shape at 145 copared to 135.

plz stop

 

[djacobox372]

Simple fact is that Cyborg was the consensus best female fighter in the world BEFORE Rhonda even had her first fight, and she hasn't lost or come close to losing since.

Rhonda insisting that Cyborg come down to 135 to face her is like if Holyfield, when he was cruiserweight champ, had insisted that an undefeated Mike Tyson drop down to 200lbs to face him.

 

[FountOfWisdom]

Simple fact is that Cyborg was the consensus best female fighter in the world BEFORE Rhonda even had her first fight, and she hasn't lost or come close to losing since.

Rhonda insisting that Cyborg come down to 135 to face her is like if Holyfield, when he was cruiserweight champ, had insisted that an undefeated Mike Tyson drop down to 200lbs to face him.

While I think you are partially right I beg you to consider the biggest difference between Tyson/Holyfield and Cyborg/Ronda, is the smaller athlete sells way better in the latter pairing and therefore has better leverage when it comes to negotiations.
Also weight is a smaller factor in Boxing vs MMA.

 

[bobgeese]

That is true, that's the fkin point!! Beat Cyborg at 145 and shut the doubters up and prove to the world and yourself that you truly are the best.

You do realize Gina had full mount within 10 seconds....


Now, put Ronda in the same spot..... oh yeah, and take away the STEROIDS..


You do the math.

 

[IntelligenceQuo]

Simple fact is that Cyborg was the consensus best female fighter in the world BEFORE Rhonda even had her first fight, and she hasn't lost or come close to losing since.

Rhonda insisting that Cyborg come down to 135 to face her is like if Holyfield, when he was cruiserweight champ, had insisted that an undefeated Mike Tyson drop down to 200lbs to face him.

Cyroid was the best? It's not legitimate.

 

[The5thgod]

You do realize Gina had full mount within 10 seconds....


Now, put Ronda in the same spot..... oh yeah, and take away the STEROIDS..


You do the math.

You do realize that was 6 years ago? You do realize Gina was also considered the best in the sport by most at that time? You do realize Cyborg won that fight? You do realize Cyborg has went 5-0 with 5 ko's/tko's since then right?

 

[Daniel4802]

Even if what you're saying is true it doesn't matter!!! You're trying to pull out weight and nutrition facts which mean shit to what I'm saying.

When you repeatedly state that Cyborg atrophying a mere 10 lbs of lean mass will lead to her being "unhealthy," it does "mean shit" to what you said.

I would like to see the fight happen at either weight. However, I believe because Cris tested positive that she loses the chance to have her demands met. Thus I prefer the fight be at 135 lbs.

 

[eiyuu]

Simple fact is that Cyborg was the consensus best female fighter in the world BEFORE Rhonda even had her first fight, and she hasn't lost or come close to losing since.

Actually Tara LaRosa was the consensus best fighter in the world back then.

Rousey haters need to use facts for a change instead of making shit up to justify their Cybro ovary-hugging.

 

[happyfeethart]

Rousey is clearly at her peak at 135. People want her to basically not do a weight cut and let Cyborg cut from 175? That's messed up.

 

[The5thgod]

When you repeatedly state that Cyborg atrophying a mere 10 lbs of lean mass will lead to her being "unhealthy," it does "mean shit" to what you said.

I would like to see the fight happen at either weight. However, I believe because Cris tested positive that she loses the chance to have her demands met. Thus I prefer the fight be at 135 lbs.

Doesn't matter whether she can healthily make 135 or not!! She would have to cut 10lbs of muscle smart guy!! She would obviously be weaker!!

 

[bobgeese]

You do realize that was 6 years ago? You do realize Gina was also considered the best in the sport by most at that time? You do realize Cyborg won that fight?

Exactly what skill has she improved in those 6 years?


Most consider Ronda the best NOW.


Cyborg won that fight on the juice, such an accomplishment. Oh yeah, that's also what killed her chance at fighting Ronda the first time.


Now, maybe if she lays of the juice, she can lose that extra 5 pounds, get her a@@ tapped out, collect her paycheck and STFU.

 

[eiyuu]

Doesn't matter whether she can healthily make 135 or not!! She would have to cut 10lbs of muscle smart guy!! She would obviously be weaker!!

Then she'd have to rely on skill to win.

Or are you saying she doesn't have any skill?

 

[happyfeethart]

This whole discussion is ridiculous. It's like the Bellator Heavyweight champion wearing a "Break Bones" shirt and calling him out all the time, then saying he is scared for not taking the fight.