Prime Shogun vs. Prime Fedor (Open weight fight in Pride) - Who wins?

[volcom5]

Ah yes, the weekly [Insert PrideFC Fighter name] prime thread.

 

[r-harper-1]

In the spirit of Pride dream fights

Fedor vs Barnett
Cro cop vs kharitonov
Big Nog vs Hunt
Shogun vs Wand
Rampage vs Lil Nog
Hendo vs Chuck

How many PPV’s ?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Shogun himself would probably vote for Fedor.

 

[KO Shotz]

Fedor would get it to the ground with ease & most likely finish it there.

 

[mkt]

Oh yeah? But how would Mousasi do against either of these guys?
He jabs both of them to death…

Perfect! Maybe the "divide and conquer" strategy would destroy the Pride Fangirl Alliance forever. Endless hypothetical fights between Fedor, Shogun, Mousasi, the Nog bros, Wand, Rampage, Arona....

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Fedor. Without any doubt in my mind.

 

[Sweater of AV]

That's what time is there for. Imagine time didn't change minds. That would leave us with the impression that earth is flat.

Perception and scientific advancements are two very, very different things.

What's humorous about your nonsensical attempt at sounding intelligent is that the earth being flat is based mostly on perception rather than utilizing any sort of scientific experiments or accuracy.

No offense but you're not very bright.

 

[Sweater of AV]

This is so true. At the time it would have been sheer lunacy to suggest this fight would be competitive. Fedors aura was almost magical.

Even Wanderlei, who would fight a rabid bear at the drop of a hat to sell tickets, was even honest when asked about whether he'd fight Fedor. Just said "No one wants to fight Fedor. But I will fight anybody."

Indeed. People can listen to any interview at the time. There wasn't a single MW that had any interest in actually fighting Fedor. He was the only person Saku said he would refuse to fight, Rampage said he didn't want to fight him etc.

Most of us are Shogun fans but the fact that this is being raised as an interesting and legitimate question in 2025 is both sad and hilarious.

 

[HHJ]

Glad to see the knowledgeable fans voting

 

[downthepines]

I think Fedor bounces his head off the canvas, similar to what he did to Nog but worse likely.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Fedor. I think his grappling would counter Shoguns aggressiveness . God i would love to see that though.

 

[BowserJr]

Shogun is one of my favorite fighters all time but fedor beats him easily.

Hit harder could take a better shot, better takedowns

 

[krelianx]

Fedor was too big and strong imo.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Indeed. People can listen to any interview at the time. There wasn't a single MW that had any interest in actually fighting Fedor. He was the only person Saku said he would refuse to fight, Rampage said he didn't want to fight him etc.

Most of us are Shogun fans but the fact that this is being raised as an interesting and legitimate question in 2025 is both sad and hilarious.

You said no MW would fight Fedor but mentioned two guys, one of which is barely a MW.

Wanderlei Silva literally fought Mark Hunt and Mirko Crocop, so I'm skeptical that he wouldn't fight Fedor. I am pretty sure they would. Fedor fought plenty of guys who would get destroyed by the best 205ers, so obviously if Pride matchmakers wanted to make it happen, it would have.

 

[Sweater of AV]

You said no MW would fight Fedor but mentioned two guys, one of which is barely a MW.

Wanderlei Silva literally fought Mark Hunt and Mirko Crocop, so I'm skeptical that he wouldn't fight Fedor. I am pretty sure they would. Fedor fought plenty of guys who would get destroyed by the best 205ers, so obviously if Pride matchmakers wanted to make it happen, it would have.

You need to learn to read.

I said they had no interest in fighting him, I didn't say they absolutely wouldn't. Pay anyone enough money or make it worthwhile and they will fight. That was exactly what Wanderlei said in the quote above.

As for Saku, he was obviously a small MW. That doesn't change the fact he was a MW who specifically said he wouldn't fight him. Whether that would actually be true or not is a different story considering he basically put his life on the line in many fights, but it's something he actually said that he never said about anyone else.

I don't ever remember Shogun asking for Fedor or anyone seriously thinking it would happen. Both had relevant fights in their respective divisions. It's funny that in 2025 people are acting like this was some relevant fight that we missed out on. Fedor would have dominated him at the time.

 

[horc00]

With Fedor, when you study his old fights, he was more measured, tactical, utilized all the tools in his kit very well, strong fight IQ.

During the last few years before he lost, he'd become more of a head hunter. More flat footed and emphasis on landing bombs, judo and grappling became nonexistent. He still had power, but his overall technical ability degraded.

This. His change in fight style was pretty apparent. He looked bad against Brett Rogers and Arlovski, trying to seek that one-punch KO.

 

[loisestrad]

No offense but you're not very bright.

None taken, I like you.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

You need to learn to read.

I said they had no interest in fighting him, I didn't say they absolutely wouldn't. Pay anyone enough money or make it worthwhile and they will fight. That was exactly what Wanderlei said in the quote above.

As for Saku, he was obviously a small MW. That doesn't change the fact he was a MW who specifically said he wouldn't fight him. Whether that would actually be true or not is a different story considering he basically put his life on the line in many fights, but it's something he actually said that he never said about anyone else.

I don't ever remember Shogun asking for Fedor or anyone seriously thinking it would happen. Both had relevant fights in their respective divisions. It's funny that in 2025 people are acting like this was some relevant fight that we missed out on. Fedor would have dominated him at the time.

No, I know how to read, but you're talking like Pride and media worked the way it does today. Fighters don't just "ask" people to do things in Pride, that isn't how the org worked. You're using today's standards for how fighters get booked for 2005, which doesn't make sense.

The MWs by in large didn't call out Barnett, Nogueria, or Crocop - even the MWs that had beef with Nogueria didn't seriously push for that. It wasn't how the promotion worked.

Pride didn't want Fedor to fight the 205ers. So why would there be any clamoring for it? As you already said, Pride had long term plans for both divisions, so obviously they were never going to fight (I dont even know what time frame you're talking about, Pride folded shortly after Rua became the top 205er, so there was never even an opportunity for it to happen).

The lust over getting to two titles back then wasn't a thing either, so there would be no special reason for Rua, who was only a top guy for like 1.5 years, to be challenging Fedor. It doesn't mean that Rua or none of the 205ers think they can beat Fedor.

He was well respected, I dont think he was feared, that's something fans conjured up about him. Rampage's statement about not wanting to fight Fedor sticks out because he's literally the only guy who said something like that. No one in Pride was really scared of anyone with some very few exceptions.

Ricardo Arona was basically beating Fedor's ass when they fought under any modern interpretation of judging, so obviously if the chance was there they (205ers) would likely take it. Pride was just booked too differently from modern UFC, you couldnt just call Fedor gay on the internet and get a title shot.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Shogun by KO. Fedor has a losing record against MW's and LHW's. Because they were faster and more skilled, Fedor was more used to beating one dimensional, big slow oxes.

Which LHWs were faster or better than Mirko?

You're legit one of the biggest pieces of trash on this forum lol

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Hendo was 6 years older than Fedor (age 40) and like 20 pounds lighter when he beat. Just. Stop. Making. Excuses.

Fedor was younger than current Jon Jones and a lot younger than Ngannou is right now. Heck, Couture was about 10 years older than Fedor when won the UFC belt. So let's please stop with this "Fedor was way past his prime at age 33" crap.

And before you say "Combat Sambo prematurely aged him!" that's a crock. Fighters like Hendo, Couture, Cormier and Jones all aged better than Fedor and all wrestled since they were kids. Wrestling almost your entire life is much harder on your body than limited Combat Sambo here and there. Look at Ben Askren and his ruined back before age 35. Or Usman abandoning his wrestling due to bad knees. Wrestling is a killer on both back and knees when you do it for 20 years.

another imbecile of this forum who can't separate age from mileage

Fedor had 23 fights in his first 4 years as a fighter

Jones has had 23 fights in 17 years as a fighter

This forum is filled with such sorry ass chumps smh