Prime Arlovski (the one that fought Fedor) vs Prime Stipe?

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Similar caliber fighters obviously. Who do you have taking this? Both with extremely well rounded games and solid, crisp boxing and footwork for MMA.

I have this Arlovski 60, Stipe 40/100.
 
This would be a great fight. Prime Arlovski was faster than Stipe and more than capable to of knocking him out. Stipe was knocked out by Struve when he was 30 years old with 10 pro fights under his belt.

When he was older and more seasoned and well in his prime he got knocked down by an Overeem who was well off the horse meat and had been knocked out in the UFC 3x by that point.

Stipe was somewhat of a slow starter in some of his fights and peak Andrei definitely had the handpeed and power to knock him out. Arlovski knocked out Roy Nelson when peak, juiced JDS couldnt.

With that said Stipe was very tough and durable and on his best night he could definitely knock Andrei out too. If would come down to who's on that day and having a better day at the office.
 
When he fought Fedor? That wasn't Arlovski's prime. Anywhere from 2003-2005, Arlovski pushes every version of Stipe's shit in. Too fast, too powerful, great TDD and great on the ground. No version of Stipe would stand a chance against that version of Arlovski.
 
When he fought Fedor? That wasn't Arlovski's prime. Anywhere from 2003-2005, Arlovski pushes every version of Stipe's shit in. Too fast, too powerful, great TDD and great on the ground. No version of Stipe would stand a chance against that version of Arlovski.
Yes it was, Arlovski was on the best streak of wins in his career and was never ranked higher than prior to his KO loss to Fedor. The Arlovski that fought Fedor boxes the ears off 2003-2005 Arlovski.
 
Yes it was, Arlovski was on the best streak of wins in his career and was never ranked higher than prior to his KO loss to Fedor.

No, it wasn't. First, a fighter's prime is determined by when a fighter was at their physical and technical best. Arlovski had already lost a step by the Fedor fight in 2009 compared to when he made his championship run and ruled the UFC HW division from 2002-2005. Second, that wasn't the best streak of his career. He was coming off of back-to-back losses to Tim Sylvia, he looked iffy against a pre-K-1 Werdum and was getting lit up for nearly the whole first round and wasn't able to finish him, it took him two rounds to dispatch Jake O'Brien and three to dispatch Ben Rothwell, and he was saved by the ref against Roy Nelson. He was back in the win column, sure, but that streak has absolutely nothing on him slaughtering Ian Freeman and obliterating Vladimir Matyushenko - the two of whom together he crushed in less time than one full round, and Vladdy had never even been finished before and Arlovski knocked him out with ease - and then using Cabbage as a human punching bag and actually cracking his iron dome before taking the Interim HW title by blitzing Sylvia on the feet and then tapping him on the ground with a slick leg lock, and sleeping Paul Buentello as the champ with one punch in 15 seconds. That was Arlovski's best streak, that was Arlovski in his prime at his absolute best, and that Arlovski clobbers Stipe.
 
No, it wasn't. First, a fighter's prime is determined by when a fighter was at their physical and technical best. Arlovski had already lost a step by the Fedor fight in 2009 compared to when he made his championship run and ruled the UFC HW division from 2002-2005. Second, that wasn't the best streak of his career. He was coming off of back-to-back losses to Tim Sylvia, he looked iffy against a pre-K-1 Werdum and was getting lit up for nearly the whole first round and wasn't able to finish him, it took him two rounds to dispatch Jake O'Brien and three to dispatch Ben Rothwell, and he was saved by the ref against Roy Nelson. He was back in the win column, sure, but that streak has absolutely nothing on him slaughtering Ian Freeman and obliterating Vladimir Matyushenko - the two of whom together he crushed in less time than one full round, and Vladdy had never even been finished before and Arlovski knocked him out with ease - and then using Cabbage as a human punching bag and actually cracking his iron dome before taking the Interim HW title by blitzing Sylvia on the feet and then tapping him on the ground with a slick leg lock, and sleeping Paul Buentello as the champ with one punch in 15 seconds. That was Arlovski's best streak, that was Arlovski in his prime at his absolute best, and that Arlovski clobbers Stipe.

Arlovski was in incredible shape when he fought Fedor. He was in his 20s and on a 5 fight winning streak and ranked #2 in the world. In that streak he beat Werdum, knocked Roy Nelson out with punches- something Prime juiced up JDS couldn't do and he also stopped Rothwell violently during that streak- at that time NO ONE was stopping Nelson and Rothwell. Arlovksi was training at Wild Card with Freddie Roach and putting in rounds with Profesional HW boxers on the daily. There's no way you can objectively say this version of Andrei wasn't peaking.
 
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No, it wasn't. First, a fighter's prime is determined by when a fighter was at their physical and technical best. Arlovski had already lost a step by the Fedor fight in 2009 compared to when he made his championship run and ruled the UFC HW division from 2002-2005. Second, that wasn't the best streak of his career. He was coming off of back-to-back losses to Tim Sylvia, he looked iffy against a pre-K-1 Werdum and was getting lit up for nearly the whole first round and wasn't able to finish him, it took him two rounds to dispatch Jake O'Brien and three to dispatch Ben Rothwell, and he was saved by the ref against Roy Nelson. He was back in the win column, sure, but that streak has absolutely nothing on him slaughtering Ian Freeman and obliterating Vladimir Matyushenko - the two of whom together he crushed in less time than one full round, and Vladdy had never even been finished before and Arlovski knocked him out with ease - and then using Cabbage as a human punching bag and actually cracking his iron dome before taking the Interim HW title by blitzing Sylvia on the feet and then tapping him on the ground with a slick leg lock, and sleeping Paul Buentello as the champ with one punch in 15 seconds. That was Arlovski's best streak, that was Arlovski in his prime at his absolute best, and that Arlovski clobbers Stipe.
Yes it was, the 5 fight winning streak Arlovski was on included wins over Werdum, Rothwell and Nelson. He never had a 5 fight winning streak or longer with better wins in said streak and his highest ranking ever was prior to fighting Fedor. He also finished Nelson and Rothwell with strikes which is incredibly hard to do. Affliction Arlovski smokes 2003-2005 Arlovski.

Matyushenko was old and a LHW and him and Freeman aren't on the level of Rothwell, Nelson and certainly not Werdum. You act like its easy to finish Rothwell when he was on a 13 fight winning streak before fighting Fedor. Cabbage and Buentello aren't as good as the three I mentioned either.
 
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Im gonna go with Stipe because even though this version of Arlovski had stellar handspeed, I think Stipe, like in his fight wih the Reem could get hut and rally back to win. Arlovski's chin could be got at.
 
Yes it was, the 5 fight winning streak Arlovski was on included wins over Werdum, Rothwell and Nelson. He never had a 5 fight winning streak or longer with better wins in said streak and his highest ranking ever was prior to fighting Fedor. He also finished Nelson and Rothwell with strikes which is incredibly hard to do. Affliction Arlovski smokes 2003-2005 Arlovski.
Agreed this is freddie roach trained Arlovski

Took all the roid weight off and was lean and mean, maybe 25 lbs lighter, fast as shit.
 
Arlovski was in incredible shape when he fought Fedor. He was in his 20s and on a 5 fight winning streak and ranked #2 in the world. In that streak he beat Werdum, knocked Roy Nelson out with punches- something Prime juiced up JDS couldn't do and he also stopped Rothwell violently during that streak- at that time NO ONE was stopping Nelson and Rothwell. Arlovksi was training at Wild Card with Freddie Roach and putting in rounds with Profesional HW boxers on the daily. There's no way you can objectively say this version of Andrei wasn't peaking.
Yes it was, the 5 fight winning streak Arlovski was on included wins over Werdum, Rothwell and Nelson. He never had a 5 fight winning streak or longer with better wins in said streak and his highest ranking ever was prior to fighting Fedor. He also finished Nelson and Rothwell with strikes which is incredibly hard to do. Affliction Arlovski smokes 2003-2005 Arlovski.

Matyushenko was old and a LHW and him and Freeman aren't on the level of Rothwell, Nelson and certainly not Werdum. You act like its easy to finish Rothwell when he was on a 13 fight winning streak before fighting Fedor. Cabbage and Buentello aren't as good as the three I mentioned either.

Forget about whether you were following the sport at the time, although consider what the 2003 join date pointed out...

at the time the forum was saying that version of arlovski was washed up…

...which is true. Nobody thought much of Arlovski's chances, especially after Fedor Zulu'd Tim Sylvia. Or hell, just look at the Fight Finder or look up ranking websites (since there weren't as many MMA outlets and there weren't official rankings back in 2005) and this is not correct.


In 2009, Arlovski ranks #7. In 2005, he's #5 and he's wearing UFC HW gold. He also won 6 fights in a row from when he lost to Rizzo to when he lost his belt to Sylvia in their rematch, and he looked better and won more impressively during that prime run than his post-UFC rebound tour. Meanwhile, he needs two rounds to take out Jake O'Brien, who he shouldn't have needed 60 seconds to ice, and he struggles to put away Rothwell, who'd beaten exactly zero people worth a shit and who'd been knocked out already by Carlos Barreto and TKO'd by Ibragim Magomedov, and Nelson, who was mauling him before the worst ref standup in the history of MMA and who rocked him on the feet as well. The Arlovski of old would've eaten those two for lunch. And Werdum had been training with Cro Cop for a little already, but he had no business nearly knocking Arlovski out and lighting him up for 3 or 4 minutes of the first round until Arlovski finally back him off with a good counter right. This is a guy who went almost the full three rounds standing in front of Pedro Rizzo, he had no business getting clocked as often or as cleanly. Even Eddie Bravo called the win "disappointing" as the guest scorer on the mic (as he used to be back then).

You have to take in the big picture here. Rothwell and Nelson are more recent names, but Arlovski shouldn't have struggled anywhere near as much as he did with them and he didn't look impressive in his wins. Yet, against Freeman and Matyushenko, the fights literally looked unfair, Arlovski made it so easy and he finished them so viciously. He was a different fighter in those earlier days because that was when he was in his prime. Just using your eyes, you should be able to see how much lighter he was on his feet, how much better his footwork was, how much faster his hands were, how much better his TDD was. He still had great hands and huge power, so he was obviously still a big threat to anybody standing across from him, but he was never better than when he was running roughshod over the UFC HW division in the early 2000s.

Took all the roid weight off and was lean and mean, maybe 25 lbs lighter, fast as shit.

You're going to need to recalculate your math there. Arlovski weighed in at 237 against Fedor in 2009. He was 238 when he won the Interim UFC HW title in 2005 and he was 242 when he lost to Rizzo in 2002. He was much leaner and much meaner during his prime UFC run, but throughout his career he never fluctuated much weight-wise. You've simply invented those nonexistent 25 pounds.
 

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