Pretty sure I have low testosterone, here is my plan of attack:

[Fedorgasm]

I haven't been tested by a doc yet, but I have almost every symptom of low T. I'm going to schedule an appt with a doctor to confirm, but my doctor is usually booked 2 weeks out.

I'm afraid of trying TRT because then I'll be dependent on it for life, so even if the doc does confirm that I have low T, he'll probably recommend TRT.

So in the meantime, I'm going to try as many things as I can to try and fix the problem myself, while avoiding all the BS scam supplements out there.

This is what I've found in my limited research. Please let me know your thoughts on each, as I'd rather not waste my time/effort on any of them that may be nothing more than placebo.

1. Get more sleep - I think this is my #1 problem, as I've always been a night-owl and my symptoms have gotten worse since I've started a new job and have to wake up earlier.

2. Have sex at least once a week - One would think this would be easy for a married guy, but this past year she's had her own health problems which really puts a damper on our sex life. My question here is, will a "self serve" release be just as effective in boosting testosterone?

3. Diet - My diet's not terrible, but it could be better, so I'll make it better.

4. Alcohol - I only drink once a week, but when I do I really go all out. Think I need to stop altogether.

5. Zinc, B6, magnesium, garlic, Tribulus Terrestris - I've read that these help testosterone levels. I really have no idea what that last one is.

6. Weight training - Been doing stronglifts 5x5, but I do end up skipping workouts when I feel weak or tired, which is like ALL the time now. Need to get back on track 3x per week. Should I do cardio too?

 

[Ruckus]

If you actually have low t, then the only real solution is TRT. Yes, increases in quality of sleep may help, but before you go out and spend a ton of money on supplements that are questionable at best in efficacy I'd get blood work done.

 

[Abezal]

watch a lot of porn, your body shall reward you.

 

[knight]

Indeed, quality sleep I important but also be brutally honest about your current stress levels. See if you can make small steps everyday to make improvement in that area. Nothing raises T-levels more than winning at life.

With your eating , make sure you get plenty of healthy fats I your diet. If you want to go the supplement route, check out Mike Mahler's testosterone booster, imo bet on the market. Tribulus does jack for testosterone. Mike is also a good guy to follow in regards to hormone optimization.

 

[TewPoint0]

I had all the symptoms a couple years ago and was tested only to have the doc tell me he was jealous of my T levels. Nevertheless, being that I have an anxiety disorder, I worry a lot and started learning everything I could about natural ways to increase testosterone. I read many good scientific studies over the last two years and it's something I'm fascinated by.

Here's some things I would recommend. Hope this helps!

* You're right about the sleep, alcohol, minerals/vitamin, weight lifting, and sex. Real sex beats masturbating, but it's not worth fighting with your wife about. Eat a balanced diet with lots of lean meat, organic produce, and healthy oils (olive and avocado).

* Pine pollen tincture. It's full of anabolic hormones. Place a few drops under your tongue 3 times per day. The hormones absorbs through your mouth and it helps. It's nature's TRT.

* Ginger/turmeric. Studies show it helps over time to supplement with these herbs. Go with powders that are available in bulk.

* Royal jelly. Studies show as little as 25mg per day have a substantial effect on T levels. This is the food queen bees eat that changes them from a regular bee to a queen...turns out it's not just for bees.

* D-Aspartic Acid. Very effective in increased production but it's important you cycle it properly...12 days on 12 days off is recommend. Some studies show an increase by 50% or more. Again, buy powder in bulk.

* Panex Ginseng. There's a reason guys have used this stuff in Asia for so long. Studies now back up claims. Even if taking it daily increases production by 5 to 10 percent, it's cumulative and worth it. Can also help with ED and libido.

* Tongkat Ali. Shown to increase T levels in rats, stressed humans, and humans with low T. Buy in bulk powder. It's worth a try...especially if you have low T.

* Get out in the sun and do some labor. Hike, chop some wood, go hunting, swim in the ocean...just stay active and get out from behind the desk.

* Reduce use:

• Flaxseed products

• Licorice

• High-PUFA Vegetable Oils

• Mint, Peppermint, Spearmint…

• Soy Products

• Trans-Fat

• High-PUFA nuts

• Stop smoking/dipping

 

[Badger67]

Get your thyroid checked. They exhibit a lot of the same symptoms. I thought i had low test too, turned out i had hypothyroidism (diagnosed by two different docs on separate occasions).

 

[bad seed]

as far as natural supplements to help hormone health eat plenty of high fat/cholestorol foods [eggs, meat, coconut, avocados] and vitamin D [minimum 10,000 iu/day.] Keep in mind that this will bring you to an optimal state but can not cure low T if your body just isnt producing it.

I had all the symptoms a couple years ago and was tested only to have the doc tell me he was jealous of my T levels. Nevertheless, being that I have an anxiety disorder, I worry a lot and started learning everything I could about natural ways to increase testosterone. I read many good scientific studies over the last two years and it's something I'm fascinated by.

Here's some things I would recommend. Hope this helps!

* You're right about the sleep, alcohol, minerals/vitamin, weight lifting, and sex. Real sex beats masturbating, but it's not worth fighting with your wife about. Eat a balanced diet with lots of lean meat, organic produce, and healthy oils (olive and avocado).

* Pine pollen tincture. It's full of anabolic hormones. Place a few drops under your tongue 3 times per day. The hormones absorbs through your mouth and it helps. It's nature's TRT.

* Ginger/turmeric. Studies show it helps over time to supplement with these herbs. Go with powders that are available in bulk.

* Royal jelly. Studies show as little as 25mg per day have a substantial effect on T levels. This is the food queen bees eat that changes them from a regular bee to a queen...turns out it's not just for bees.

* D-Aspartic Acid. Very effective in increased production but it's important you cycle it properly...12 days on 12 days off is recommend. Some studies show an increase by 50% or more. Again, buy powder in bulk.

* Panex Ginseng. There's a reason guys have used this stuff in Asia for so long. Studies now back up claims. Even if taking it daily increases production by 5 to 10 percent, it's cumulative and worth it. Can also help with ED and libido.

* Tongkat Ali. Shown to increase T levels in rats, stressed humans, and humans with low T. Buy in bulk powder. It's worth a try...especially if you have low T.

* Get out in the sun and do some labor. Hike, chop some wood, go hunting, swim in the ocean...just stay active and get out from behind the desk.

* Reduce use:

• Flaxseed products

• Licorice

• High-PUFA Vegetable Oils

• Mint, Peppermint, Spearmint…

• Soy Products

• Trans-Fat

• High-PUFA nuts

• Stop smoking/dipping

none of the products you listed are verified to boost T at all except D-Aspartic acid. And even that is so negligable to not be worth it. Anything that would truly raise T would also be suppressive and require PCT.

 

[Fedorgasm]

as far as natural supplements to help hormone health eat plenty of high fat/cholestorol foods [eggs, meat, coconut, avocados] and vitamin D [minimum 10,000 iu/day.] Keep in mind that this will bring you to an optimal state but can not cure low T if your body just isnt producing it.


none of the products you listed are verified to boost T at all except D-Aspartic acid. And even that is so negligable to not be worth it. Anything that would truly raise T would also be suppressive and require PCT.

Can you explain that last part? What is PCT and what is being suppressed?

 

[kingkokong]

Post Cycle Therapy because your body is producing to much Estrogen, with interferes with your test.
I'm on a PCT atm and have been prescribed armidex.
I'm also taking DHEAS because I stress to much (effects test)

Bad Seed will/should fill you in >

Get a saliva test for a better accurate reading....

 

[Ruckus]

The suppression that he's referring to is what occurs if you take any kind of steroids, or theoretically any supplement that would have significant effect on your testosterone levels. If your body has an excess of testosterone, it will slow it's natural production of testosterone and start producing more estrogen to try to keep your test to estrogen ratio in check. Since this is the case, if you stop taking the exogenous test supplement your natural testosterone production is still lowered while your estro remains high until you take a PCT drug, which will lower estro production while your test raises.

Also kingkokong, arimidex is very rarely taken as a PCT, since it's an aromatase inhibitor. Most PCTs are SERMs such as clomid or nolvadex. It sounds like you're working though a TRT doctor, but I'd check in with that because I don't think I've ever heard of an AI for PCT.

 

[KILL KILL]

My buddy went to a doc last month. Left with several bottle of Test Cypionate, made by Watson Pharm (the best of the best) for $15 a bottle. Never weighed over 200. Weighs 211 and benched 405 the other day. Obviously, he lucked out and found a ridiculously immoral doctor.

 

[Ruckus]

My buddy went to a doc last month. Left with several bottle of Test Cypionate, made by Watson Pharm (the best of the best) for $15 a bottle. Never weighed over 200. Weighs 211 and benched 405 the other day. Obviously, he lucked out and found a ridiculously immoral doctor.

Christ. What was his bench beforehand? I've seen people run gear for extended periods of time and not get close to 405. That's also insane for pharma gear.

 

[KILL KILL]

Christ. What was his bench beforehand? I've seen people run gear for extended periods of time and not get close to 405. That's also insane for pharma gear.

It's always been pretty high but this is some next level type gear. Unfortunately, the majority of black market Watson is fake, but if you can get it from a legit source, it's one of the best in the world.

 

[Ruckus]

It's always been pretty high but this is some next level type gear. Unfortunately, the majority of black market Watson is fake, but if you can get it from a legit source, it's one of the best in the world.

Any idea what dosage he was running? Sorry to derail the thread more but I'm curious because I've heard people anecdotally say pharma gear vs legit ugl gear isn't that different. Only ever run pharma orals

 

[KILL KILL]

Any idea what dosage he was running? Sorry to derail the thread more but I'm curious because I've heard people anecdotally say pharma gear vs legit ugl gear isn't that different. Only ever run pharma orals

I didn't ask, but most do 250mg every other day or every third day with test prop.

 

[TewPoint0]

as far as natural supplements to help hormone health eat plenty of high fat/cholestorol foods [eggs, meat, coconut, avocados] and vitamin D [minimum 10,000 iu/day.] Keep in mind that this will bring you to an optimal state but can not cure low T if your body just isnt producing it.


none of the products you listed are verified to boost T at all except D-Aspartic acid. And even that is so negligable to not be worth it. Anything that would truly raise T would also be suppressive and require PCT.

Read more. There's plenty of good scientific studies out there with promising results...specifically for folks with low T.

It's not going to turn you in to Uber-Reem but these methods combined may get you close to normal.

I do all of it and more and my levels are almost unnaturally high at 35 years old.

Say what you will, though...I know people are quick to write off natural remedies.

 

[TewPoint0]

Can you explain that last part? What is PCT and what is being suppressed?

You're not going to experience suppression using natural products. DAA does work and if used properly (12 days on, 12 off) you'll never have extra estrogen, imo. Been doing this for years.

 

[TewPoint0]

Pine pollen is very interesting. The Pinus Sylverstis variete for example contains: 80 ng/g of testosterone, 110 ng/g of epitestosterone, and 590 ng/g androstenedione.

One gram of pine pollen contains 80 nanograms of testosterone, then 100 grams of the stuff would contain 8,000 ng’s of the actual hormone.

An average man has somewhere around 500 ng’s of testosterone per deciliter of blood, out of which around 5-20 ng’s is free testosterone that isn’t bound to either SHBG or albumin. (the testosterone in pollen is not bound to proteins either).

Given that an average male also has around 5 liters of blood, which translates into 50 deciliters, means that an average guy with average testosterone would have around 250-1,000 ng’s of unbound testosterone in him.

Suddenly the fact that 100 gram’s of pine pollen contains 8,000 ng’s of actual testosterone doesn’t seem so small anymore.

If you eat pine pollen powder orally, most of the androgens will not make it into the bloodstream due to the fact that the sensitive molecules will be destroyed in our digestive track. Solution: take a few drops of the tincture in your mouth, and wait few minutes until the tincture penetrates into the bloodstream through the thin mucus membranes of the mouth.

(Mucus membranes in the mouth are extremely easily permetable by hormones. The occurrence was witnessed a study where the researchers found out that the actual act of kissing is an evolutionary mechanism where the male sends testosterone via spit into the women’s mouth which then is absorbed through the mucus membranes into the bloodstream where it increases her likelihood for mating behavior).

Pine pollen contains actual testosterone, and even though the amount may seem miniscule on the paper, it’s not when you compare it to the actual amount of androgens in the human blood.

I think the stuff on anabolicmen.com is a decent place to start reading about is stuff. The writer is a layman but has studies to back up his claims. From there you can read studies and figue out what's good. I've done quite well with my T level at 1100 ng/dL last time I checked.

Good luck!

 

[Corin7hian]

You know it could very well be high estrogen rather than low testosterone. Get your levels checked first. If high estrogen is the cause then address your diet ( do this anyways) and look into a product called PES Erase Pro. Thank me later.

 

[Fedorgasm]

So I got my test results back. They checked my testosterone and thyroid.

Testosterone came in at 312 ng/dL
Standard range is 240-871 ng/dL

Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) came in at 1.44 mcIU/mL
Standard range is 0.35-4.00 mcIU/mL

I don't really know a lot about either of these numbers but I'm happy to be in the normal range. I also notice that I'm on the lower side of normal, so I am a little concerned.