Premier League Thread 2017/18 v90: German PED Dr. Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt Edition

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Twelve75 said:
what is current success ? last 3 years ? Last 10 ?.

even counting ''success'' and revenue,2 parts where they lag behind, 2 of the top 5 clubs in the UK aren't even english
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I think that depends. One or two rough years doesnt stop a top club from fighting their way back into the competition for top trophies. Man U might be a perfect example of this, liverpool perhaps a little less so. The money and reverence for Man U allows them to pay for talent to get themselves back into contention, to rebuilt faster. Liverpool does the same, but with less consistency. So whatever current means, it's surely whatever the amount of time is that impacts the club's rebuilding.

I get why folks are taking a piss at my comment, but when you consider the context it's not absurd: Liverpool can afford to pay for Can without feeling like he needs to be the linchpin to club's success. They can afford quality player worth a lot of money. This doesn't mean Barca is on the same level as pool (2-3 probably are).

Arsenal, for instanced finished in the top 4 for 20 years, but haven't done since the 15/16 season. 16/17 didn't happen and it won't happen 17/18. 2 years in a row. But they have the money and the name, even amidst the turmoil, to rebuild and jump back into contention for a CL spot next year. Their being a big club allows them to do that.

I just don't see what is scandalous about this, lol
 
God I hate seeing Liverpool being beaten to a pulp like this...

Bring Rafa home.

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they didn't win it....surprised ?....No neither was i.
 
Spoken said:
I think that depends. One or two rough years doesnt stop a top club from fighting their way back into the competition for top trophies. Man U might be a perfect example of this, liverpool perhaps a little less so. The money and reverence for Man U allows them to pay for talent to get themselves back into contention, to rebuilt faster. Liverpool does the same, but with less consistency. So whatever current means, it's surely whatever the amount of time is that impacts the club's rebuilding.

I get why folks are taking a piss at my comment, but when you consider the context it's not absurd: Liverpool can afford to pay for Can without feeling like he needs to be the linchpin to club's success. They can afford quality player worth a lot of money. This doesn't mean Barca is on the same level as pool (2-3 probably are).

Arsenal, for instanced finished in the top 4 for 20 years, but haven't done since the 15/16 season. 16/17 didn't happen and it won't happen 17/18. 2 years in a row. But they have the money and the name, even amidst the turmoil, to rebuild and jump back into contention for a CL spot next year. Their being a big club allows them to do that.

I just don't see what is scandalous about this, lol
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<mma4> its all subjective, and when you grew up imo, I still look on Milan as bigger than Barca, I love to watch Barca, but when Messi retires, things will be interesting.
 
Twelve75 said:
<mma4> its all subjective, and when you grew up imo, I still look on Milan as bigger than Barca, I love to watch Barca, but when Messi retires, things will be interesting.
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A lot of folks aren't realistic about their club. I just am.
 
frenzy said:
imagine getting this mad on a karate forum when people say your team isnt a big club

lmfao
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Imagine being able to respond in an adult manner instead of "lmfao" like a 12 year old.
 
Spoken said:
I think that depends. One or two rough years doesnt stop a top club from fighting their way back into the competition for top trophies. Man U might be a perfect example of this, liverpool perhaps a little less so. The money and reverence for Man U allows them to pay for talent to get themselves back into contention, to rebuilt faster. Liverpool does the same, but with less consistency. So whatever current means, it's surely whatever the amount of time is that impacts the club's rebuilding.

I get why folks are taking a piss at my comment, but when you consider the context it's not absurd: Liverpool can afford to pay for Can without feeling like he needs to be the linchpin to club's success. They can afford quality player worth a lot of money. This doesn't mean Barca is on the same level as pool (2-3 probably are).

Arsenal, for instanced finished in the top 4 for 20 years, but haven't done since the 15/16 season. 16/17 didn't happen and it won't happen 17/18. 2 years in a row. But they have the money and the name, even amidst the turmoil, to rebuild and jump back into contention for a CL spot next year. Their being a big club allows them to do that.

I just don't see what is scandalous about this, lol
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I remember in the early 90s Liverpool fans used to mock United fans for having not won the league for so long. We went 26 years between titles (1967-1993).

I believe Liverpool are now 28 years and counting.

How many of the other so called "big clubs" have gone so long without winning their domestic title?


All tradition aside, as it currently stands, it's hard to argue City and Chelsea haven't overtaken Pool and Arsenal (who both should / could be capable of reestablishing themselves). United are still up there, but really need to turn things around soon........if they end up 10 years without a title, it is not a good look.
 
Twelve75 said:
<mma4> its all subjective, and when you grew up imo, I still look on Milan as bigger than Barca, I love to watch Barca, but when Messi retires, things will be interesting.
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Exactly.
I thought the same about Man U and Ferguson. It seems I was right on that one and yeah, Barca will be nowhere near where they are when Messi leaves.
 
Sebbe said:
I'd say four factors.
1. Current success
2. History
3. Revenue
4. Amount of supporters

I don't sit on all those numbers but I would be surprised if pool wasn't top 6-7 at least all things considered.
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Twelve75 said:
what is current success ? last 3 years ? Last 10 ?.

even counting ''success'' and revenue,2 parts where they lag behind, 2 of the top 5 clubs in the UK aren't even english
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A bit early for it, but

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LEWIS540 said:
I remember in the early 90s Liverpool fans used to mock United fans for having not won the league for so long. We went 26 years between titles (1967-1993).

I believe Liverpool are now 28 years and counting.

How many of the other so called "big clubs" have gone so long without winning their domestic title?

All tradition aside, as it currently stands, it's hard to argue City and Chelsea haven't overtaken Pool and Arsenal (who both should / could be capable of reestablishing themselves). United are still up there, but really need to turn things around soon........if they end up 10 years without a title, it is not a good look.
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Arsenal hasn't won the league since 03?
And City and Chelsea have certainly overtaken Pool and Arsenal. Arsenal can certainly rebuild. And I'd argue the Spurs aren't going anywhere, either.
 
Spoken said:
Arsenal hasn't won the league since 03?
And City and Chelsea have certainly overtaken Pool and Arsenal. Arsenal can certainly rebuild. And I'd argue the Spurs aren't going anywhere, either.
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If I had to make a prediction for 10 years time, I'd say Spurs will be 6th at best.

They have done really well / been lucky in assembling their squad for the last 4-5 years.......it's really hard to keep that up, especially without spending big money, which Spurs don't like to do.
 
so happy Man City won the league in 2014
 
Twelve75 said:
<mma4> its all subjective, and when you grew up imo, I still look on Milan as bigger than Barca, I love to watch Barca, but when Messi retires, things will be interesting.
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Always thought the Juventus v Milan dynamic was really interesting.

I think most would assume that Milan were Italy's most successful club, but in terms of league titles Juve are way ahead. Then in terms of the European cup Juve have perhaps underachieved more than any other club, whereas Milan have excelled in it.

Quite hard to decide which is Serie A's traditional big club.





The last 10 years have really been an anomaly. The Messi-Ronaldo era have really skewed the lines. When those two have gone, presumably the other clubs will catch up, pretty quickly.
 
teachers asking for a payrise now too

as they should

fucking MPs give themselves a pay rise every fucking year. useless fucking cunts

imagine being a teacher in 2018, where a little snowflake cunt has all the power and can get you sacked in a minute
 
having said that, im a snowflake too lel
 
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