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Practicing free form based movement in sparring!

Conor Sullivan

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I just wanted to share some light sparring Im doing with a friend who's new to fighting. I've been training kickboxing for about a year now and though I find the fundamentals and straight forward approach to be essential, Im looking to expand outta the box a little and development my own approach to movement.





Any comments or discussion are welcome!
 
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Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box. I dont like the idea of being a slave of the fundamentals. Textbook will only take you that far..

That being said. Not sure what i just watched..
 
Who are you by the way? The hipster or the feminine asian?
 
Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box. I dont like the idea of being a slave of the fundamentals. Textbook will only take you that far....

Agreed..... Nonetheless, it's advisable to start by reading and understanding the "textbook" before you try to write your own. By no means do I think the fundamentals must always be stricly adhered to, but they should at the very least be understood.......... Otherwise, It'd be like trying to build a house with a "hammer and nails" and no wood!
 
Agreed..... Nonetheless, it's advisable to start by reading and understanding the "textbook" before you try to write your own. By no means do I think the fundamentals must always be stricly adhered to, but they should at the very least be understood.......... Otherwise, It'd be like trying to build a house with a "hammer and nails" and no wood!
I hear ya. absolute understanding of the fundamentals before reaching beyond. I also greatly value the need for unpredictable movement in order to put your opponent off guard.
 
Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box. I dont like the idea of being a slave of the fundamentals. Textbook will only take you that far..

That being said. Not sure what i just watched..
the future of fighting.
 
I think the fundamentals aren't rigid nor do they enslave you - at least once you've grasped them more or less & you make the fundamentals your own - mold them to you.

That said I concur - wtf did I just watch?

I feel like those two spoon each other when the lights go out...
 
I think the fundamentals aren't rigid nor do they enslave you - at least once you've grasped them more or less & you make the fundamentals your own - mold them to you.

That said I concur - wtf did I just watch?

I feel like those two spoon each other when the lights go out...

we're friends having fun sparring. you no have friends?
 
You guys are going to develop bad habits without proper guidance to your 'free flowing movement'.

Understand that just because this works for Connor McGregor, doesnt mean it's going to be as effective for you. Connor has an athleticism which you dont. You're leaving yourself wide open for so many counters. This is why the fundamentals are really important.

When play sparring, focus on being sharp, you guys are looking sloppy (because there is no danger of getting tagged). You need to treat this like you would a real sparring match, with the difference being that you can afford to correct your form, working on footwork, trying different combinations, because you can afford to make more mistakes.
 
I just wanted to share some light sparring Im doing with a friend who's new to fighting. I've been training kickboxing for about a year now and though I find the fundamentals and straight forward approach to be essential, Im looking to expand outta the box a little and development my own approach to movement.





Any comments or discussion are welcome!


I understand that you'e having fun and experimenting with distances and timing, nothing wrong with that. I just think that your time would be better spent drilling and applying the fundamentals. If all you've done is train for a year, there's no way your fundamentals are solid. They may look solid compared against someone who just started training, but compared to someone who's been at it diligently for 5-7 years, your fundamentals are very weak (slow, telegraphed, leave you susceptible to counters, carry little power, not placed precisely enough,etc). I'm also speaking as someone who is a newbie with just over a year of training experience, when I partner up with more experienced people the difference in my fundamentals and theirs is night and day. As an example look at the southpaw jab thread, the guy has like 19 variations on the jab that he throws, that should give you an idea of the level of the level of nuance and depth that there is to the fundamentals. This shit takes years to get down pat, it's just too much material to absorb and internalize.

It would better if your friend threw textbook techniques and combinations and you answered with texbook blocks and counters, you'd learn more from that, especially as your friend gets faster at throwing/linking shots.

Btw, check out this video below, you can do free form sparring with textbook techniques, it's just as fun, but you need to be getting tagged to keep you from developing bad habits.



You guys are going to develop bad habits without proper guidance to your 'free flowing movement'.

Understand that just because this works for Connor McGregor, doesnt mean it's going to be as effective for you. Connor has an athleticism which you dont. You're leaving yourself wide open for so many counters. This is why the fundamentals are really important.

When play sparring, focus on being sharp, you guys are looking sloppy (because there is no danger of getting tagged). You need to treat this like you would a real sparring match, with the difference being that you can afford to correct your form, working on footwork, trying different combinations, because you can afford to make more mistakes.

Exactly. The UFC hype machine is at it again, yet again they have another fighter who is "reinventing the sport", revolutionizing everything with animal movements, eating horse meat, and other bullshit...They've been doing this since at least the Chuck Liddel days, where the ticket to winning everything was knowing how to throw an overhand bomb.
 
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I didn't see a lot of movement from either of you, tbh
 
As to the greater conversation- fundamentals win fights. If your movement, offense, and defense are all rooted in strong fundamentals, you've got great conditioning and the right mindset, you're going to be a motherfucker to deal with.
 
"Freeform" movement means you've mastered applying the fundamentals and can now go around them. I don't think anything i saw in the videos that resembled that. Plus, you can ignore fundamentals if you're significantly better than the other person. You opponent was new to fighting, you should be able to clown around with him.
 
To me, fundamentals aren't guidelines that can be broken. Fundamentals are the underlying principles: distance, timing and positioning. You can break rules when you control fundamentals.
 
Looking for short cuts is not a good idea.
 
Exactly. The UFC hype machine is at it again, yet again they have another fighter who is "reinventing the sport", revolutionizing everything with animal movements, eating horse meat, and other bullshit...They've been doing this since at least the Chuck Liddel days, where the ticket to winning everything was knowing how to throw an overhand bomb.

You know I love those animal movements. The lizard walk is a b!tch :D

Just a ton of fun to bust out at the end of my workout, you know after working the fundamentals :P

Seriously though, good Conditioning and mobility work.
 
What's the point in sparring with your friend there? You tap him ever so gently and he acts like he's been hit with a sledgehammer. He needs to toughen up a little.

You base is way too fragile man. You stand straight up and your stance and footwork is too lackadaisical(wow that's an odd word, but it applies). You time him pretty well coming in a few times and light sparring is good and all, but you are way too open. It's alright to play around with newbies, but sharpen up. Lower elevation in the pocket, tuck your chin, keep your base solid and don't cross your feet so much. Someone could easily force themselves in and then swing a hard one you would be in a horrible position to take the punch. You can be relaxed and free, and still do those things.

Also, moving about is not something new. It's pretty standard boxing, albeit difficult. Taking angles, feints, level changes, different looks, weaving, drawing in, countering, even to a lesser degree stance switching. It's all part of it. Problem is, that you should do all those things from a solid base. You need to work on that base as well, and you need to spar someone who can challenge you, if you are not already. A few face punches and you'll reconsider a few things.

Good luck with your training.
 
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