Power cleans for vertical jump/first step

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I used to play basketball and could never dunk but only need maybe 2-3 inches more vertical.

Did some good power cleans a couple of days ago, with actual jumping off the floor and catching in upright posture, and my calfs are completely shattered.

Got me thinking if not (jumping) cleans could add some inches to a vertical jump? It is after all the exact movement for a standing two legged jump and calfs definitely play a big part in jumping.
 
I used to play basketball and could never dunk but only need maybe 2-3 inches more vertical.

Did some good power cleans a couple of days ago, with actual jumping off the floor and catching in upright posture, and my calfs are completely shattered.

Got me thinking if not (jumping) cleans could add some inches to a vertical jump? It is after all the exact movement for a standing two legged jump and calfs definitely play a big part in jumping.

It's really not the same movement as a standing two-leg jump. As the bar sweeps into the pocket, you pop you drive your hips forward and up as powerfully as you can, while pulling the bar with your hands. This puts the lifter in the "archangel" position- hips through, often leaned back somewhat, like this:

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Based on my limited experience... if you watch good lifters, you will see that at this point their feet are either in contact with the ground, or fractionally off the ground. And pretty much as soon as they have executed this, they are pulling their hips back and then dropping down under the bar- they do not continue upward after they have got this position and there is at most minimal "air time". And as I understand it, a lot of the time when you see their feet have come off the ground, that is not actually because they came off the ground as part of the process of putting the hips through and pulling, it is because they have to widen their stance in order to get down, and the best way to do this is to allow the feet to come off the floor a little, widen and then put them down again, rather than slide them straight across the floor.

Now there is explosive knee and hip extension, and the feet do sometimes come off the ground during that, so you can call that a jump if you want. But in either case, it is *very* different from a normal standing jump. And I guess it may well increase your vertical- certainly seems to have worked for this guy:

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I am just a noob at Oly, so I stand ready to be corrected by the Oly lifters and coaches, here, of course.
 
I used to play basketball and could never dunk but only need maybe 2-3 inches more vertical.

Did some good power cleans a couple of days ago, with actual jumping off the floor and catching in upright posture, and my calfs are completely shattered.

Got me thinking if not (jumping) cleans could add some inches to a vertical jump? It is after all the exact movement for a standing two legged jump and calfs definitely play a big part in jumping.

Post video of your cleans, plz.
 
Yes, I think you are right, but I don't do the clean like an oly lifter. I do not get under the bar in a front squat position, I jump maybe 10 cm of the ground and catch the bar as I come down, so different technique, probably not a good one for the strict purpose of cleaning as much as possible.
 
Re: Jaunty

This dude seemed to be doing alright, too:

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...and by "alright" I mean his vertical was ridiculous.
 
Yes, I think you are right, but I don't do the clean like an oly lifter. I do not get under the bar in a front squat position, I jump maybe 10 cm of the ground and catch the bar as I come down, so different technique, probably not a good one for the strict purpose of cleaning as much as possible.

Why not just do weighted jumps of some sort?
 
Re: Jaunty

This dude seemed to be doing alright, too:

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Marc_Huster_jump_small.jpg


Marc-Schuster-Vertical-Jump-Clean-Jerk-1998.jpg


...and by "alright" I mean his vertical was ridiculous.

Haha. These pics and the Dimas pic almost look like they've been 'shopped, with the athlete just grabbed from elsewhere in the image and then repositioned somewhere unfeasibly far from the ground.
 
crazy vertical.

Ill raise you with this
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From personal experience, I used hang cleans and hang snatch. They did help my vertical and speed noticeably. I used weight that I could go about 10 reps. Lighter seemed to have a more positive effect for me on my vert for some reason. I had the most success doing a dumbell 1 arm hanging snatch. That translated the best for my vert and speed. I felt like I had a spring in my step doing them. Had to stop due to a bad shoulder that could not keep up with doing the exercise.
 
Yes, I think you are right, but I don't do the clean like an oly lifter. I do not get under the bar in a front squat position, I jump maybe 10 cm of the ground and catch the bar as I come down, so different technique, probably not a good one for the strict purpose of cleaning as much as possible.

So why not learn to do the lift properly and get actual practice with real jumping techniques? You get more weight on the power clean using proper technique, which provides numerous benefits. You need to use the right tool to get the job done, not force something into place using the wrong tool or the using the right tool in an improper manner.
 
Re: Jaunty

This dude seemed to be doing alright, too:

l.jpg


Marc_Huster_jump_small.jpg


Marc-Schuster-Vertical-Jump-Clean-Jerk-1998.jpg


...and by "alright" I mean his vertical was ridiculous.

Skip to 3:04 to see Huster lose his shit after beating Dimas head-to-head.

P4P one of the best jerkers, ever. It's a shame we don't see rivalries like this much anymore. It really drives the WRs up.
 
Mark Henry of WWE/weightlifting fame was in the foot locker slam-dunk contest in the mid 90's.
 
Sexual chocolate dunking ? I need to see that.
 
If you want to improve your jumping, Olympic lifting is the way to go. In the 1964 Olympics study in Mexico City, Olympic lifters actually outperformed all other athletes in the vertical jump (including the high jumpers) and could run a 25 yard dash faster than any other athlete (including the sprinters).

Get a good coach and learn the technique well, and you'll see a big improvement in your jumping ability.
 
Why not just do weighted jumps of some sort?

yeah this.

If you're trying to be more "jump like" why even start with the weight on the ground.
and it doesn't seem as safe to rack the weight in the clean position 10cm in the air.
I just do regular power cleans, but I also do DB jump squats for the same kind of
reasons as ts.
 
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