Post KO shots need to be discouraged

[SJP_SevenLaker]

 

[jeff7b9]

Never fails to surprise me how many MMA fans still think this is all about honor and Samurai code, and not Neanderthals that thrive on beating the shit out of others lol.

I think it is a defense mechanism.

"I watch martial arts"

Is a lot more palettable than...

"I watch cage fighters beat the shit out of eachother."



I have just come to terms with in. Violence is in us.
It is a violent world and we are the descendents of those who managed to survive it.

As long as we come preprogrammed with these instincts, might as well indulge then in a reasonably healthy way.






I like watching fighters beat the shit out of eachother

 

[ricc505]

This is a tough one. It's the aesthetic of violence, and fighters train for it. When a MMA fighter goes to boxing for example, with it's rules they don't instinctively do this still. I think they want to do it and their opponents should expect it.

Hunt made the walk of look cooler then following an opponent down to maximize violence

 

[AmericanMMA]

Unless it’s Bisping

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I get it but I don't know the solution.

They say fight until the ref stops it or pulls you off, we've seen guys not take that follow up thinking a ref was going to step in, then they didn't, so idk.

Herb's quick little 1-2 step where he acts like he's going to jump and then doesn't is a significant reason I can understand fighters taking follow up shots. But the overall point is right, I think. There are some things that we can't just write off as "So you wanna be an Ultimate Fighter? Well, that's just part of the sport," and I gotta think leaking brain fluid out your nose and needing a titanium plate in your head for a strike that wasn't required to win has got to be something we should try to address somehow.

The culture is already pretty hard set already though, and it'd take a lot to change it in everyone. They're not only allowed, but even encouraged to be wild animals. So we just have a few people shout "heel!" and expect the dog to sit? Idk

 

[Koro_11]

Depends on the fighter, if he’s a decent human being I say try to hold back, but in the case of Hendo Bisping it’s perfectly justified and encouraged.

 

[Ian]

Post KO strikes are super necessary.

 

[Chubi]

Obviously I'm not a fan of guys getting hit after they passed out, but maybe you should start by not fighting with only one functioning arm ?

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

I think it is a defense mechanism.

"I watch martial arts"

Is a lot more palettable than...

"I watch cage fighters beat the shit out of eachother."



I have just come to terms with in. Violence is in us.
It is a violent world and we are the descendents of those who managed to survive it.

As long as we come preprogrammed with these instincts, might as well indulge then in a reasonably healthy way.






I like watching fighters beat the shit out of eachother

“I’m not a violence loving weirdo…! I’m an educated martial arts observer!”

 

[Skarsgard]

I get it, but the refs ultimately just need to be better. If it's like some of Hendo's or Rampage's knockouts, sure. Consider visiting those with fines by the commission. However, to ask fighters to stop when these guys sometimes recover in an instant... Nah. You're begging for botched finish after botched finish.

 

[Daniel Henry]

I guess you never been in a street fight. Its kinda hard to stop yourself midfight when you got adrenline and anger fueling you.

One could reckon when in a fight its natural instint to keep going until your oppenant is a bloody mess or your being held back..

 

[VinceArch]

Wouldn't mind seeing those; just not to unconscious opponents.

I'm currently fine with elbows and kicks to the knee. It doesn't take skill to stomp someone's heads. You really think a fighter would remember to stop kicking an opponents head when they're so close to victory? Just like punches, most are not going to stop until the referee intervenes.

 

[Skarsgard]

Unless it’s Bisping

I'll take Bisping over that douchebag any day. It's even worse when you find out that Hendo started the entire thing by piggybacking off of his friend.

 

[shunyata]

I mean if it's 100% obvious and the fighter does it on purpose. Just to be violent.

I hear you, but I think it's mostly a refereeing issue.

You're not going to convince NASCAR fans to stop cheering for car crashes.

Fan culture will always be degenerate and fighters can be hard to dial back in the heat of the moment.

Refereeing is the thing that can actually be changed.

 

[jitzmonkey]

I'm currently fine with elbows and kicks to the knee. It doesn't take skill to stomp someone's heads. You really think a fighter would remember to stop kicking an opponents head when they're so close to victory? Just like punches, most are not going to stop until the referee intervenes.

Re latter: Very fair point!


Re Former: I've only ever been part of fight camps ("way back") but never in the ring; so I can't speak from experience re stopping when the guy is getting stomped.

I'm not a fan of the side kick to the knee. I don't mind that weird kung fu one from the back foot.

Again, since I'm not "in the game," my opinion is essentially "worthless," though.

 

[Trabaho]

I get it, but the refs ultimately just need to be better. If it's like some of Hendo's or Rampage's knockouts, sure. Consider visiting those with fines by the commission. However, to ask fighters to stop when these guys sometimes recover in an instant... Nah. You're begging for botched finish after botched finish.

Yeah I meant clear finishes. Where was this guy ever gonna recover here. How much time did the other guy have to notice it running at him.

 

[VinceArch]

Re latter: Very fair point!


Re Former: I've only ever been part of fight camps ("way back") but never in the ring; so I can't speak from experience re stopping when the guy is getting stomped.

I'm not a fan of the side kick to the knee. I don't mind that weird kung fu one from the back foot.

Again, since I'm not "in the game," my opinion is essentially "worthless," though.

I'm certainly in favor of knees to a grounded opponent and it seems like the rules are slowly softening on that as well, I believe that's a fair compromise IMO.

 

[Trabaho]

I guess you never been in a street fight. Its kinda hard to stop yourself midfight when you got adrenline and anger fueling you.

One could reckon when in a fight its natural instint to keep going until your oppenant is a bloody mess or your being held back..

Maybe you got a bit psychopathic traits

 

[Slapjit]

I agree that follow up shots are a huge liability in the sport, but I also feel we are asking a bit much from both the fighters and the refs here.

MMA fighters behave quite differently than those in more structured forms of combat like boxing and #PowerSlap . The culture of the sport rewards immediate follow-up aggression when someone is hurt. That’s just how the sport's audience and its participants are wired, so discouraging them would likely do very little in the short-term other than getting push back. Meanwhile, referees already have their hands full monitoring groin shots, eyepokes, and positioning. Asking them to simultaneously anticipate and intercept a full-speed finishing frenzy from a bloodlusted animal is asking for cognitive overload.

If safety is truly the goal, structural solutions are necessary. I think the best solution, imho, would be to employ a Catcher so that victims fall gracefully to the mat with minimal risk of second impact syndrome, as well as a Wrangler to grab the victor from behind before instincts lead to something more tragic.

MMA purists may recoil at the added organization, but that’s the trade-off when you build a sport around raw spectacle and then try to retrofit civility onto it.

 

[Neck&Neck]

I agree most are unnecessary
A good middle finger can do the job (Hokit)