Social Portland recriminalizes drugs after failed 2020 experiment.

[DoctorTaco]

Again, I'm not going to go around in circles about the details with someone who doesn't understand the details; it's not just that they are "harder to produce;" the devil is in the details which I'm not typing out. What is your point? That we should allow private citizens to legally produce these drugs and make them legal for all to have? A drug free-for-all?

I’m trying to figure out why the government needs to produce hard drugs if they’re legal. Again, I understand they are extremely difficult to make. I’m not arguing that they aren’t.

I’m not trying to make a point, I’m trying to get you to explain to me why the government would have to produce drugs if they were legal. You say they are very very hard to make. I don’t understand why that means the government has to do it.

 

[Motivated BJ Penn]

Just legalize all the cool fun drugs like weed, coke, mdma, lsd, shrooms.

Keep the actual harmful shit like heroin, fentanyl, etc illegal. The rehab or jail is fine too

 

[joy2day]

I’m trying to figure out why the government needs to produce hard drugs if they’re legal. Again, I understand they are extremely difficult to make. I’m not arguing that they aren’t.

I’m not trying to make a point, I’m trying to get you to explain to me why the government would have to produce drugs if they were legal. You say they are very very hard to make. I don’t understand why that means the government has to do it.

Let's do this- you explain to me why the average Joe who could grow marijuana for the dispensary could not feasibly produce morphine for it. Once you know that and have done your research and can understand this, you will know and won't have to ask me.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Let's do this- you explain to me why the average Joe who could grow marijuana for the dispensary could not feasibly produce morphine for it. Once you know that and have done your research and can understand this, you will know and won't have to ask me.

I never claimed an average weee grower could produce morphine.

Now will you please explain to me why the government needs to make heroin if it was legal?

Are you saying it’s because it’s too hard for anyone else besides the government to make it?

 

[joy2day]

I never claimed an average weee grower could produce morphine.

Now will you please explain to me why the government needs to make heroin if it was legal?

Are you saying it’s because it’s too hard for anyone else besides the government to make it?

You asked me why the government would have to produce it. When you understand why a business in the US couldn't, you will understand why the government would have to. The government would have to because it wouldn't be feasible for businesses to do it.

 

[DoctorTaco]

You asked me why the government would have to produce it. When you understand why a business in the US couldn't, you will understand why the government would have to. The government would have to because it wouldn't be feasible for businesses to do it.

Why wouldn’t it be feasible for a business to do it? Don’t we have legal entities that create morphine and fentanyl already?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

portugal is also a very affordable country with strong social safety nets like universal public health care (or private if you choose) and a much larger pool of resources for mental health care. the legalization of drugs while people's material conditions continue to decline will not solve the problem of addiction or homelessness.

 

[joy2day]

Why wouldn’t it be feasible for a business to do it? Don’t we have legal entities that create morphine and fentanyl already?

There are all kinds of strict laws and regulations about how much opium straw can be imported, and only from specific countries to supply for pharmaceuticals; you cannot grow opium in the US. The idea of mass quantities for recreational use is not feasible not only in terms of supply regulations, but from the company's liabilities of mass OD deaths. And that is just opiates; you get into all kinds of other complications if we get into cocaine production with the products you need for that.

 

[DoctorTaco]

There are all kinds of strict laws and regulations about how much opium straw can be imported, and only from specific countries to supply for pharmaceuticals;

you cannot grow opium in the US.

The idea of mass quantities for recreational use is not feasible not only in terms of supply regulations,

I would assume that if the government decided to legalize all drugs, then they could do something about the same laws and regulations.

but from the company's liabilities of mass OD deaths.

Wouldn’t the US government also be liable if they were the ones creating the drugs?

And that is just opiates; you get into all kinds of other complications if we get into cocaine production with the products you need for that.

So the reason the US government would have to make cocaine is because the production and products make it too difficult for commercial outfits to create?

 

[joy2day]

I would assume that if the government decided to legalize all drugs, then they could do something about the same laws and regulations.

Wouldn’t the US government also be liable if they were the ones creating the drugs?

So the reason the US government would have to make cocaine is because the production and products make it too difficult for commercial outfits to create?

I recommend you read up on those subjects. I'm not really here to type out education for people. AI is helpful, good way to get answers as long as you be sure to source everything.

 

[DoctorTaco]

I recommend you read up on those subjects. I'm not really here to type out education for people. AI is helpful, good way to get answers as long as you be sure to source everything.

You can’t answer my question and so you want me to Google it? I am literally asking you for your opinion.

Because it sounds like from everything you have said the reason that the government would have to produce hard drugs as because it is too difficult for non-governmental chemists to do so.

 

[UberHere]

I don’t care what adults do by themselves in their own home. I think drugs should be legal, but drug related crimes should then be punished much more harshly. With the freedom comes the responsibility.

 

[HereticBD]

I don’t care what adults do by themselves in their own home. I think drugs should be legal, but drug related crimes should then be punished much more harshly. With the freedom comes the responsibility.

With drugs comes poor judgement. Just look at some states with harsh DUI laws. Some of them absolutely do not fuck around, and will give you a murder charge and lock you up for 40 years for causing a fatal accident while DUI. Doesn't do shit, because the drug makes you feel like you're in control. And that's a legal drug we have centuries of experience with.

All this "I'm fine with people doing drugs, as long as they're in control" has a caveat, in that the drugs cause people to lose control. You're just chilling in your own home doing lines of coke or whatever, and then all of sudden you want to go out and party because you feel invincible. Could be the most innocent person in the world who ends up causing a catastrophe, let alone the not so innocent people out there.

That's the problem with that argument. Having the freedom to do drugs in isolation sounds fine, but the drugs alter people's minds, to the point where they don't care to be responsible.

We either all agree to live with the consequences, or we get medieval to curb usage. There really isn't a middle ground, because the drugs themselves add a high level of uncertainty to the equation.

 

[Madmick]

Just legalize all the cool fun drugs like weed, coke, mdma, lsd, shrooms.

Keep the actual harmful shit like heroin, fentanyl, etc illegal. The rehab or jail is fine too

Cocaine isn't harmful.

I need to start a new blog titled, "Shit you read on Sherdog."

 

[Motivated BJ Penn]

Cocaine isn't harmful.

I need to start a new blog titled, "Shit you read on Sherdog."

Alcohol is more harmful imo, the shit is not even physically addictive

 

[Hdfi]

overdoses skyrocketed, homelessness increased as well as crime

huge surprise...

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Cocaine isn't harmful.

I need to start a new blog titled, "Shit you read on Sherdog."

yeah he's insane. saying cocaine isn't harmful is like saying gambling isn't harmful. pretend the effects on the heart don't exist, it's a highly addictive stimulant that costs probably $70 a gram these days. a single night's worth of coke is running you $250 minimum. that shit is harmful to your wallet even if we pretend it's not harmful on your body.

 

[RemyR]

Portland is an absolute shithole

 

[DoctorTaco]

Portland is an absolute shithole

Yup. Ugly, awful and dangerous. Spread the word and stay away please.

 

[Lycandroid]

Just legalize all the cool fun drugs like weed, coke, mdma, lsd, shrooms.

Keep the actual harmful shit like heroin, fentanyl, etc illegal. The rehab or jail is fine too

You are a fucking idiot. Coke and MDMA can kill you if you take too much.

LSD and shrooms can destroy your mind for life if the wrong person takes too much.