Social Portland recriminalizes drugs after failed 2020 experiment.

[Misfit23]

I travel a fair bit for work and it’s rare for me to land in any major city or part of the country that I’d rather be

Yeah I've had a lot of friends move because they had kids and our school system blows but they all miss it. If you're a nature junkie like myself there is no better place to live than the PNW.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Yeah I've had a lot of friends move because they had kids and our school system blows but they all miss it. If you're a nature junkie like myself there is no better place to live than the PNW.

I moved to Vancouver bc of the schools and ended up settling in here and buying a house. PPS is awful

 

[joy2day]

If the country really wanted to get rid of drug use, they could. Plenty of countries around the world do it, albeit with draconian measures.

That's kind of the trick- how do we get rid of it without comprising our principles? There is not supposed to be any exceptions to the punishment fitting the crime in the US justice system- which cutting someone's hand off for having a joint would not fit with. Drugs are one of the hardest social ills to deal with in a free society, but there really is not another option but finding a way to cope with them as a society (not an option civilized people would want to take anyway).

 

[joy2day]

Weed is easier to produce, so the government doesn’t?

I understand hard drugs are harder to produce. If you can provide me with a link that explains why that would mean the government of the United States Government would start producing and selling crack then I’d read it.

I was talking about an explanation of what it would take for the government to produce those drugs, and all of the complications of producing those drugs- most people are pretty naive about that; you will have to AI it and look the information up. The government doesn't need to produce weed for it to be legal because normal citizens can start a grow business in a warehouse or back yard (there is no need for organized crime or the government to be involved).

 

[Hog-train]

That's kind of the trick- how do we get rid of it without comprising our principles? There is not supposed to be any exceptions to the punishment fitting the crime in the US justice system- which cutting someone's hand off for having a joint would not fit with. Drugs are one of the hardest social ills to deal with in a free society, but there really is not another option but finding a way to cope with them as a society (not an option civilized people would want to take anyway).

The Asian countries just jail you for a long time for drug use (not selling.) Not medieval shit like cutting off your hand. For example South Korea.

 

[joy2day]

The Asian countries just jail you for a long time for drug use (not selling.) Not medieval shit like cutting off your hand. For example South Korea.

That's still a punishment that doesn't fit the crime.

 

[DoctorTaco]

I was talking about an explanation of what it would take for the government to produce those drugs, and all of the complications of producing those drugs- most people are pretty naive about that; you will have to AI it and look the information up. The government doesn't need to produce weed for it to be legal because normal citizens can start a grow business in a warehouse or back yard (there is no need for organized crime or the government to be involved).

I understand you’re saying that powder drugs are harder to produce than natural ones.

Why does that mean the government would have to produce them?

 

[Hog-train]

That's still a punishment that doesn't fit the crime.

I mean that's an arbitrary belief.

If a country truly wants to get rid of drugs, that's really the only way.

 

[joy2day]

I understand you’re saying that powder drugs are harder to produce than natural ones.

Why does that mean the government would have to produce them?

Again, I'm not going to go around in circles about the details with someone who doesn't understand the details; it's not just that they are "harder to produce;" the devil is in the details which I'm not typing out. What is your point? That we should allow private citizens to legally produce these drugs and make them legal for all to have? A drug free-for-all?

 

[shunyata]

I understand you’re saying that powder drugs are harder to produce than natural ones.

Why does that mean the government would have to produce them?

His point is all over the place. Fentanyl is made in a lab with Chinese precursors ordered off alibaba, and farming poppies is not that hard if the government doesn't burn down your poppy fields.

Yeah poppies take more acreage than a cannabis growhouse but it's still very doable.

You can buy "ornamental" poppy pods at a florist, grind em, and brew a tea out of them if you're so inclined.

 

[Kevin Sorbo]

It could have to do with decriminalization, but also Fentanyl keeps getting more and more common. Especially over the last 5-6 years. Shit is in everything these days.

 

[MixMartialFarts]

It's almost as if hard drug use is bad.

 

[joy2day]

I mean that's an arbitrary belief.

If a country truly wants to get rid of drugs, that's really the only way.

Are you saying we should institute these rules in the US?

 

[Spounman]

Good, shit libs gonna cry about it though cause shooting smack, and shitting on the sidewalk is a human right or some shit like that.

and you're a racist bigot if you don't let them break your car window to steal some napkins or whatever you have in there.

 

[Hog-train]

Are you saying we should institute these rules in the US?

No I don't think we should. Just saying it's really the only model in the world that has shown to be effective in curbing drug use.

 

[joy2day]

No I don't think we should. Just saying it's really the only model in the world that has shown to be effective in curbing drug use.

Severe punishment decreases the behavior, that's been shown to mostly be true across the board with people. That model depends on one of two situations- an authoritarian government (that doesn't answer to the people) can just execute people for using drugs (e.g. China, Saudia Arabia, and Iran), and a democracy that has strong social stigma for drugs (like your South Korea example) can impose harsh punishment when the people believe in it. Since the US is neither of these situations, it looks like we need another solution.

 

[cabal]

The gang leaders had pay some politicians for endorsing those laws don't buy the is the fault of the liberals.

 

[Hog-train]

Severe punishment decreases the behavior, that's been shown to mostly be true across the board with people. That model depends on one of two situations- an authoritarian government (that doesn't answer to the people) can just execute people for using drugs (e.g. China, Saudia Arabia, and Iran), and a democracy that has strong social stigma for drugs (like your South Korea example) can impose harsh punishment when the people believe in it. Since the US is neither of these situations, it looks like we need another solution.

They do harsh punishment, but not like the death penalty. They do like 1-3 years for marijuana for example.

 

[joy2day]

They do harsh punishment, but not like the death penalty. They do like 1-3 years for marijuana for example.

Huh? Iran executed like 500 people for drug crimes last year; they totally kill for non-violent drug crimes. Those countries totally will kill you for any kind of distribution or sales, and sometimes for possessing certain amounts.

 

[Hog-train]

Huh? Iran executed like 500 people for drug crimes last year; they totally kill for non-violent drug crimes. Those countries totally will kill you for any kind of distribution or sales, and sometimes for possessing certain amounts.

Talking East Asian countries.