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Rod1 said:
No, it wouldn't you moron.
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If the pope would say "starting tomorrow the name of god will be scooby do", he would be kicked out by morning. in your mind, everybody in the church would go, oh ok. get fucking real.

papal infallibility is a very tight, highly restricted band of institutional communication that he uses after painstakingly long sessions of consultation within the church, and whose entire purpose is to complete church doctrine. it's not a dude's editorial.

the church is not a fucking avocado stand, you illiterate dipshit.
get the fuck out of this thread if you're going to be this stupid.
 
Rod1 said:
"God works in mysterious ways"

How do protestants reconcile the fact that their "holy book" was compiled by the Catholic Church like 300-400 years after Jesus died?
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No idea I'm not religious this thread and talk of him being a good pope and what the next one made me think of that question
 
Fox by the Sea said:
If the pope would say "starting tomorrow the name of god will be scooby do", he would be kicked out by morning. in your mind, everybody in the church would go, oh ok. get fucking real.
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Kicked by whom exactly?

Fox by the Sea said:
papal infallibility is a very tight, highly restricted band of institutional communication that he uses after painstakingly long sessions of consultation within the church, and whose entire purpose is to complete church doctrine. it's not a dude's editorial.
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Yes, ergo the idea that the Pope will suddenly say "hey let's worship my underwear" is an extremely stupid example.

It would be the equivalent of the SCOTUS making a similar stupid decision concerning Constitutional law.

Popes aren't elected on a whim, they are picked by Cardinals based on "merit" they are all very educated theologians, not just crazy people who decided to become prophets like most protestants do.

Fox by the Sea said:
the church is not a fucking avocado stand, you illiterate dipshit.
get the fuck out of this thread if you're going to be this stupid.
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Exactly, which is why your stupid ass scenario where the Pope says "Worship my underwear" is stupid as it gets, just because the Pope can do something, doesn't means he will.

If you are Catholic it means you believe in Catholicism, including the fact that the Pope is the vicar of Christ in this world, which means he is divinely inspired even if he is human and he wouldn't abuse the powers of this statute to promulgate stupid ass shit.
 
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A Very Serious Cat said:
I've never quite understood how the catholics reconcile papal policy changing with different popes, aren't the popes supposed to have a direct line to god? So then does God himself change his mind with each new pope?
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No that's not at all what Catholics think. In order for a pope to make a papal statement that is infallible it has to be written in that manner intentionally. Making a paper infallible statement is incredibly rare and nearly never happens.

Everything else the pope says has different degrees of authority, none of which are considered infallible. I don't know all the degrees of it, but there are even a number of degrees of statements that need to be taken more seriously and considered but are not binding in an infallible way.
 
Rod1 said:
"God works in mysterious ways"

How do protestants reconcile the fact that their "holy book" was compiled by the Catholic Church like 300-400 years after Jesus died?
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That's only one of the many problems Protestants have with their basic theological underpinnings.

The biggest problem they have is Sola scriptura which has never been successfully defended in a debate ever. Sola scripture means that you can only use scripture to interpret what scripture means and that you can only look to the Bible itself for information about the apostles or the biblical meaning.

Think about this just for one minute sola scripture says you can only look to the Bible for any understanding about the Bible, but there is a problem. Nowhere in the scripture is Sola Scripture stated. Not only that, but it is contradicted in numerous places.

Interpreting the meaning of Christianity has always included Apostolic tradition and Bible as the foundation and the extra biblical writings and commentaries on the scriptures that have been handed down through time from the earliest days

All of this was taken for granted from the very earliest days of the church and is attested to in writings that we have and in scripture itself, but Luther just threw all of that out all on his own and invented an entirely new Christianity that is itself completely heretical.
 
Rod1 said:
Papal supremacy is a dogma. If the Pope were to establish that the worship of his underwear as a Papal decree then yeah, it wouldn't be heretical.

You have to understand that the church works like a judicial body, in fact the Catholic Church is where most modern legal doctrines originate from.

So the Pope is like the SCOTUS, they are the ultimate authority in matters of what is Canon Law.
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Yes, it would be heretical if the pope did that. You misunderstand the power the pope has.
 
terrapin said:
No that's not at all what Catholics think. In order for a pope to make a papal statement that is infallible it has to be written in that manner intentionally. Making a paper infallible statement is incredibly rare and nearly never happens.

Everything else the pope says has different degrees of authority, none of which are considered infallible. I don't know all the degrees of it, but there are even a number of degrees of statements that need to be taken more seriously and considered but are not binding in an infallible way.
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So most of the time he's just a dude, the head dude of the church, but still some dude giving his opinion? This doesn't seem to gel with what rod says in this thread so now I don't know what to think
 
A Very Serious Cat said:
So most of the time he's just a dude, the head dude of the church, but still some dude giving his opinion? This doesn't seem to gel with what rod says in this thread so now I don't know what to think
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You need to Google it and read up on it because it's quite complex... he is not just a dude. He's the head among equals and everything he says has to be listened to and considered and read, but it isn't binding as a necessity unless he makes an infallible statement.

So he is still the head of the church and his words have a greater weight than anyone else's words. But an infallible statement has to be made in order for his teaching to be considered infallible.

You also have to understand that they're not sitting around wondering what the scriptures mean... We know what the scriptures mean. It's about running an organization. The best way to move forward... what the church should put most of its efforts in for the foreseeable future, what problems need to be dealt with, etc.

The job has a lot more to it than just defining scriptures and dogmas.
 
Rod1 said:
"God works in mysterious ways"

How do protestants reconcile the fact that their "holy book" was compiled by the Catholic Church like 300-400 years after Jesus died?
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very easily since that's the reason they started in the first place. They were originally a Catholic movement protesting the corruption of the church. When the printing press was invented it allowed normal people to read and have a copy of the bible and they learned what the Catholic priests had been teaching was not what the bible said.
 
terrapin said:
You need to Google it and read up on it because it's quite complex... he is not just a dude. He's the head among equals and everything he says has to be listened to and considered and read, but it isn't binding as a necessity unless he makes an infallible statement.

So he is still the head of the church and his words have a greater weight than anyone else's words. But an infallible statement has to be made in order for his teaching to be considered infallible.

You also have to understand that they're not sitting around wondering what the scriptures mean... We know what the scriptures mean. It's about running an organization. The best way to move forward... what the church should put most of its efforts in for the foreseeable future, what problems need to be dealt with, etc.

The job has a lot more to it than just defining scriptures and dogmas.
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Nah I think this enough reading on it and answers my question as I assume you're a catholic? I must admit you're describing what now sounds more like a chief bureaucrat and isn't as fun as it once sounded
 
PBAC said:
very easily since that's the reason they started in the first place. They were originally a Catholic movement protesting the corruption of the church. When the printing press was invented it allowed normal people to read and have a copy of the bible and they learned what the Catholic priests had been teaching was not what the bible said.
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What exactly of the things the Catholic church was teaching? Did they prove false??

Because as it stands today, Protestants have infinitely more errors than the Catholic faith does.

Beginning with the often discussed theological underpinning of Sola Scriptura.
 
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A Very Serious Cat said:
Nah I think this enough reading on it and answers my question as I assume you're a catholic? I must admit you're describing what now sounds more like a chief bureaucrat and isn't as fun as it once sounded
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I'm not Catholic but I am Catholic adjacent and I came in from the new age with no bone to pick with Christianity and just did a study of all of them and experiencing all of them. And what I found out is that if you come in empty, there are only two Christian religions that you can really believe are as close to what Jesus meant as possible and that's Catholicism or the Orthodox Church.

There's a ton of history and historical writings from the earliest days that people don't know about and that's why we kind of do know what the Bible means and we know what the disciples thought because we have a ton of literature explaining the scriptures and giving us under the hood insights into the Christian formation.
 
Jimmy Akin is one of the best public apologists for the Catholic church on the planet. Here's a short with him describing the right-wing propaganda that @Rob Battisti has been repeating that the Pope was a heretic and explaining why that's not the case.

 
Rod1 said:
Yup, and Sola Scriptura guys don't even make any serious effort to understand the Bible.

Its like picking some law books and claiming all judges are heretics for using precedence and context in their rulings.
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That is incredibly well put.
 
terrapin said:
Yes, it would be heretical if the pope did that. You misunderstand the power the pope has.
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If the Pope uses his authority to set it as a decree it wouldn't be heretical as it would be divinely inspired, its a catch-22 because he would never in theory do anything heretical as Christ wouldn't let him.

You either believe the Pope is the Vicar of Christ or you don't, we can argue the powers of the Pope from a secular perspective all we want.
 
terrapin said:
List them or stop spreading right-wing propaganda.
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You’re being ridiculous.

A. I never called him a heretic
B. Catholic cardinals have called into question his stances
C. There are clearly areas that he has done as pope which are outside of normative Catholic tradition
D. Any takes I have on him were in discussion with other Catholics
E. I’m leaving the Catholic Church because it’s left me
 
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