Pope Benedict Stepping Down

[wlu29]

Staying quiet and simply moving known offenders to a different church isn't the best method to putting an end to child abuse.

show me now where that is still being done today?

you seem to have singular equate the catholic church to child abuse (as reference by your comment when someone mentioned having a black pope - your retort is to make it about child abuse)

you're so noble and an exemplary defender of abused, can you share with me in specifics how you as an individual can help me as an individual to combat or ease the pain of child abuse in every day life in all walks of life?

 

[Devout Pessimist]

show me now where that is still being done today?

you seem to have singular equate the catholic church to child abuse (as reference by your comment when someone mentioned having a black pope - your retort is to make it about child abuse)

you're so noble and an exemplary defender of abused, can you share with me in specifics how you as an individual can help me as an individual to combat or ease the pain of child abuse in every day life in all walks of life?

I can't understand why you so vehemently want to defend such an obviously evil man?

Pope Ratzinger doesn't deserve anyone's respect. He has protected philes, openly detests homosexuals, and sees women as unfit for leadership in the church.

How can you defend the vatican, a sexist and homophobic institution that seems more focused on protecting its own image than helping those that have suffered abuse because of its ignorance.

My anger, mockery and criticisms are justified and I will continue on in the manner I have. If someone wants to turn a blind eye to what the former pope and the vatican have done and show support than they will receive my mockery and criticism as well.

If you can't handle what I have to say then ignore me and continue supporting the pope and his minions.

 

[GoddamnElectric]

I am not impressed by your performance pope! ( said in GSP voice )

 

[Tankeray]

I am not impressed by your performance pope! ( said in GSP voice )

lol yes!

 

[Thunderflash500]

"Could god create a child so large he couldn't molest it?" -Duncan Trussel.

 

[wlu29]

I can't understand why you so vehemently want to defend such an obviously evil man?

Pope Ratzinger doesn't deserve anyone's respect. He has protected philes, openly detests homosexuals, and sees women as unfit for leadership in the church.

How can you defend the vatican, a sexist and homophobic institution that seems more focused on protecting its own image than helping those that have suffered abuse because of its ignorance.

My anger, mockery and criticisms are justified and I will continue on in the manner I have. If someone wants to turn a blind eye to what the former pope and the vatican have done and show support than they will receive my mockery and criticism as well.

If you can't handle what I have to say then ignore me and continue supporting the pope and his minions.

there's open and honest criticism - i can take, plenty of people have made jokes that my jimmies are not rustled in the slightest

you sound pretentious and self serving and to be frank you don't really give a shit about any of those things

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

I can't understand why you so vehemently want to defend such an obviously evil man?

Pope Ratzinger doesn't deserve anyone's respect. He has protected philes, openly detests homosexuals, and sees women as unfit for leadership in the church.

How can you defend the vatican, a sexist and homophobic institution that seems more focused on protecting its own image than helping those that have suffered abuse because of its ignorance.

OK, say what you want about the phile issue...
but people and organisations are allowed to have their own beliefs about homosexuality, and just because modern society has changed its popular opinion doesnt mean the catholic church should change their views to appease the masses. why should it? its God's church and it's policies are not subject to popular opinion. (cough*church-of-england*). The catholic faith has been passed down directly from the apostles.

The pope has said something about how more and more homosexuality will threaten the future of the human race, right? well its quite logical surely? Gays like to be gay but they wouldn't be too happy if everyone was gay now would they?

Same about women in the church. Men and women are NOT the same, their differences are irreducible. Women and men are suited to different jobs, being a priest is for men, because Jesus was a man, which makes sense when you consider the actual role of the priest. It's like women complaining about being unable to be biological fathers.
In times gone by, women accepted the limitations that were places upon them. Nowadays women challenge the limitations which organisations place upon them, which is typically a good thing, but it doesn't mean the rules should change.
Catholic teaching come from scripture and also tradition, Jesus and his apostles would only ordain male priests, and no amount of 21st century whining will change that...being a priest is not a profession.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

there's open and honest criticism - i can take, plenty of people have made jokes that my jimmies are not rustled in the slightest

you sound pretentious and self serving and to be frank you don't really give a shit about any of those things

You aren't in a position to make a judgement in regards to what I think and feel.

All you see are the words I write and you read them in your voice coming from your perception. Like everyone else on Sherdog, I am playing a character in a forum and that character is constructed from a forum name, signature, avatar, the written word and visuals. The lack of human presence creates an environment where communication becomes highly open to interpretation because there isn't a face and body language to create a context.

The reader interprets what is being said through their voice and not the voice of the person conveying the message.

I sound pretentious and self serving to you because you don't appreciate what I am saying. Someone who agrees with me is likely to read my words in a much different way.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

OK, say what you want about the phile issue...
but people and organisations are allowed to have their own beliefs about homosexuality, and just because modern society has changed its popular opinion doesnt mean the catholic church should change their views to appease the masses. why should it? its God's church and it's policies are not subject to popular opinion. (cough*church-of-england*). The catholic faith has been passed down directly from the apostles.

The pope has said something about how more and more homosexuality will threaten the future of the human race, right? well its quite logical surely? Gays like to be gay but they wouldn't be too happy if everyone was gay now would they?

Same about women in the church. Men and women are NOT the same, their differences are irreducible. Women and men are suited to different jobs, being a priest is for men, because Jesus was a man, which makes sense when you consider the actual role of the priest. It's like women complaining about being unable to be biological fathers.
In times gone by, women accepted the limitations that were places upon them. Nowadays women challenge the limitations which organisations place upon them, which is typically a good thing, but it doesn't mean the rules should change.
Catholic teaching come from scripture and also tradition, Jesus and his apostles would only ordain male priests, and no amount of 21st century whining will change that...being a priest is not a profession.

I don't see how its logical to believe that accepting gay marriage will destroy the society when a relatively small percentage of the human race is homosexual. Its not logical to believe that accepting gay marriage will mean people that are straight will turn gay. That is not really what you are discussing so I will move on.

If church leaders want to hold views that are sexist and homophobic because those views are held in an ancient book they have every right to believe that. If a priest doesn't want to marry two people of the same sex that love each other, he shouldn't be forced to.

The church has every right to to believe that women are inferior. They can be as sexist as they want to be. Government should not force the church to accept women as being equal. If women have a problem with it they should stay away from the church and make their own make believe club with dogma based on a different ancient book.

The church can believe whatever nonsense it wants to believe, with the condition that it shouldn't be given special privilege over other people or religions.

In conclusion: I agree with you... the church and other private organizations should be allowed to believe whatever they want to and not be forced to change those beliefs by an outside institution like government.

Though, I don't think the church should cry "persecution" when people criticize them for their views. People have just as much right to criticize a belief as they have the right to hold a belief.

 

[Thrawn33]

He caught early word of wrestling being dropped from the Olympics by the Templars, stepped down to protest, but did it too soon and now can't go back.

 

[maDKient]

you think he realised the church was a crock of shit?

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

you think he realised the church was a crock of shit?

Maybe he'd been talking to father dougal

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

I don't see how its logical to believe that accepting gay marriage will destroy the society when a relatively small percentage of the human race is homosexual. Its not logical to believe that accepting gay marriage will mean people that are straight will turn gay. That is not really what you are discussing so I will move on.

If church leaders want to hold views that are sexist and homophobic because those views are held in an ancient book they have every right to believe that. If a priest doesn't want to marry two people of the same sex that love each other, he shouldn't be forced to.

The church has every right to to believe that women are inferior. They can be as sexist as they want to be. Government should not force the church to accept women as being equal. If women have a problem with it they should stay away from the church and make their own make believe club with dogma based on a different ancient book.

The church can believe whatever nonsense it wants to believe, with the condition that it shouldn't be given special privilege over other people or religions.

In conclusion: I agree with you... the church and other private organizations should be allowed to believe whatever they want to and not be forced to change those beliefs by an outside institution like government.

Though, I don't think the church should cry "persecution" when people criticize them for their views. People have just as much right to criticize a belief as they have the right to hold a belief.

lol, I like how you ageed with me after repeating what I said and changing the words :icon_lol:
Church holds true that women are unsuitable for priesthood and different to men, but not inferior. There are things that men cannot do, such as motherhood, which is one of the greatest things. To me its comparing apples and oranges.

But anyways I'm glad you think that the government can't force its popularity based agendas on the church, which is what it consistantly does with the church of england, but then again C of E was founded on a whim anyway so I don't care that much, and the Queen is even less powerful in there then she is in politics.

by the way, what I said was "more and more homosexuality will threaten the future of the human race", by which I meant the increasing popularity of homosexuality (and the blurring of genderlines), so the point about only a few people being gay missed the point.

edit: by the way, not that its anything to do with catholicism but i'm off sherdog for lent, just because I waste way too much time on here and its a good opportunity to stem the procrastination.
ciao

 

[riitzni]

right so when the US had slavery, the answer would have been to disband the government

when Canada had internment camps for the Japanese, the answer would have been to disband the government

when Canada has a history of abuses at the Native schools, the answer would have been to just dissolve Confederation

one issue defines the whole scope and span of an institution

lol, protecting 's is one of the least offensive things the Catholic church has done. Don't make me go medieval on your dumb ass.

 

[wlu29]

lol, protecting 's is one of the least offensive things the Catholic church has done. Don't make me go medieval on your dumb ass.

why are you dwelling on medieval times, what matters is today and plans for the future, you can't change the past

 

[ralphc1]

I think theyre classified as philes more so than gay

Maybe so but I haven't ever heard of any girls being molested!

 

[Jing]

lol!!!

 

[KnightTemplar]

pretty classy of you

in your zeal to make fun of catholics, you downplay and marginalise child abuse and treated as a mere vehicle for your pleasure

Which is exactly how thousands of children were treated by Catholic priests and nuns.

 

[KnightTemplar]

He caught early word of wrestling being dropped from the Olympics by the Templars, stepped down to protest, but did it too soon and now can't go back.

Hey, leave us out of this!:icon_chee

 

[BRF]

The school I attended in Canada required a baptism certificate because so many parents wanted their kids to attend the school. There were people that would get their kids baptized for the sole purpose of attending a Catholic high school.

I think what really hurts the image of Catholics is the pope and his cover-up of the sexual abuse scandals. There seems to be a general consensus among many protestant Christians that Catholicism is evil but I am pretty sure this is mainly because of the pope and the vatican.

I always just figured it was because they were viewed as the bastard offspring and wanted to be seen as equals or better.