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Poor Performances Due to Break in Rituals (Mcgregor // Jon Jones)

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I have been thinking about the notion of poor performances due to fighters doing something different in their training. Fighters can do so many things different such as change camps, weight, coaches, sparring partners, etc. But what got me thinking about this recently was Connor Mcgregor and Jon Jones.

For Mcgregor, it was clear that he did not look like his 145lb self. His superiority in striking and movement was evident in round 1 vs Nate Diaz. However, round 2 he looked gassed and his movement was far less than it was in round 1. This could be because of fighting a "bigger" man, but he was able to do so fairly easily in round 1. I think the problem here was that Mcgregor was carrying far to much weight which caused him to gas early. The guy does not train to fight at 170lbs, he was used to training to fight at 145 and 155lbs. I suspect the regimen required and practices for a 170lb fight are different than the two weight classes he has fought at before. Nate Diaz had the advantage of fighting at this weight class before and he could adjust accordingly, while Mcgregor did not.

For Jon Jones, while some may think this notion is crazy. Rashad Evans said it best on the MMA hour last week, "someone who does something (cocaine) for so long and wins doing that, won't think there is a problem". This tradition that Jones had with doing drugs and partying was apart of his ritual, he still won, and contrary to what people think it might have been a way to battle his stresses with being a super star (put him into another place). It clearly worked for him, as he was dominant over every single opponent. I think with no drugs and a new ritual in place, he will have a hard time adjusting and ultimately lose to DC.
 
Lol at Conor gassing when he trained for a 5 round title fight originally. 11 days notice Diaz ate Conor's shots like they were nothing. Giving Nate a full camp is a worse fight for Conor.

Bones will always beat DC. Uber Jones looms.
 
He fought an out of shape fatboy of the beach from Cabo. He didn't fight a true 170 pound fighter. Bullshit excuses. Nate won, Nate is the better fighter, the next fight is useless, McGregor will loose again, and you will come up with more excuses.
 
If Jones loses it wil be 100% because of USADA not because he needs cocaine to win.

What exactly do you think that USADA testing entails that Jones wasn't subject to before?

He was already being randomly tested as regular main eventer. That's how he got busted for doing coke in the middle of his training camp. He's also been tested multiple times since he's put on muscle mass.

USADA only matters for the lower card guys who were only getting tested around the time of their fights and were free to cycle on and off whenever it was convenient for them.
 
Lol at Conor gassing when he trained for a 5 round title fight originally. 11 days notice Diaz ate Conor's shots like they were nothing. Giving Nate a full camp is a worse fight for Conor.

Bones will always beat DC. Uber Jones looms.

When Mcgregor cuts down to 145lbs, how much does he balloon up to on fight day? Lets say 10 - 15lbs, that's only ~160lbs he'd be on fight day. However, with Diaz he weighed in at 168lbs, lets say he only balloons up 7lbs on fight day. That's 175lbs vs 160lbs, sounds like he's fighting with a lot more weight than he usually does.

Also, USADA is very much a breaking of a ritual for fighters who were cheating the system. Now they have to train differently and adjust. Probably why we will see fighters whom were dominant before lose easily.
 
Nate doesn't fight at 170 and he didn't have camp. Stop making excuses.
 
I thought this was gonna blame Conor's loss on not coming out to Hypnotize.
 
I thought this was gonna blame Conor's loss on not coming out to Hypnotize.
conor said weight means nothing in a real fight,and he thinks he could be a middleweight champ with his skills.Even his coach,said,"when you meet someone who wants a fight in the street, you don't ask his weight???!!! Excuses excuses.Even after he said he came up short with his economy,and then said I was simply beaten by a heavier guy.
 
Omg did u even see the fight?

Conor didnt land shit in the first round, he won it but ue only landed like 27 strikes while diaz landed 21.....mcgregor missed alot, had 37% accuracy.

If anything it fits nate's story of having to warm up first.
 
When Mcgregor cuts down to 145lbs, how much does he balloon up to on fight day? Lets say 10 - 15lbs, that's only ~160lbs he'd be on fight day. However, with Diaz he weighed in at 168lbs, lets say he only balloons up 7lbs on fight day. That's 175lbs vs 160lbs, sounds like he's fighting with a lot more weight than he usually does.

Also, USADA is very much a breaking of a ritual for fighters who were cheating the system. Now they have to train differently and adjust. Probably why we will see fighters whom were dominant before lose easily.
Let's not say this. You do realise he didn't cut at all to make 168, he just weighed 168. This would actually help his cardio.
 
I have been thinking about the notion of poor performances due to fighters doing something different in their training. Fighters can do so many things different such as change camps, weight, coaches, sparring partners, etc. But what got me thinking about this recently was Connor Mcgregor and Jon Jones.

For Mcgregor, it was clear that he did not look like his 145lb self. His superiority in striking and movement was evident in round 1 vs Nate Diaz. However, round 2 he looked gassed and his movement was far less than it was in round 1. This could be because of fighting a "bigger" man, but he was able to do so fairly easily in round 1. I think the problem here was that Mcgregor was carrying far to much weight which caused him to gas early. The guy does not train to fight at 170lbs, he was used to training to fight at 145 and 155lbs. I suspect the regimen required and practices for a 170lb fight are different than the two weight classes he has fought at before. Nate Diaz had the advantage of fighting at this weight class before and he could adjust accordingly, while Mcgregor did not.

For Jon Jones, while some may think this notion is crazy. Rashad Evans said it best on the MMA hour last week, "someone who does something (cocaine) for so long and wins doing that, won't think there is a problem". This tradition that Jones had with doing drugs and partying was apart of his ritual, he still won, and contrary to what people think it might have been a way to battle his stresses with being a super star (put him into another place). It clearly worked for him, as he was dominant over every single opponent. I think with no drugs and a new ritual in place, he will have a hard time adjusting and ultimately lose to DC.

Sports rituals are definitely a thing and have been around in other sports for long before the UFC came along. Nate may have had the advantage of fighting at a higher weight before but he only had 11 days so there were no training styles and diets he could engage in that would help him on last minute notice. He would, however, know to conserve his energy early, and he did. He almost pulled a rope-a-dope strategy on McGregor because he said he knew he was going to start slow in round 1, meanwhile McGregor was burning fuel like a Funny Car in the quarter mile.

As far as Jon "Bones" Jones, his ritual is winning son.
 

Well they have as much experience as a signed UFC fighter, so ...

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I will destroy you with my evil ju ju and hee bee jee bees.
 
I think rituals are important, not just in training regimes but other things also.

I always become really uneasy when I hear a fighter come in to new walk-in music for example. Anecdotally, I feel this seems to lead to more losses for those that do it. McGregor and Machida spring to mind. I know there's far more to it than the music but it's indicative of something happening behind the scenes... a departure from an all encompassing series of "rituals"/behaviours that led to success.
 
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