Poor DDP

[jitzmonkey]

Here's the thing:

You can't claim that all colors belong to a civic nationality aka American or Canadian but then draw a different distinction when it's a white guy born and raised in Africa. Your line of thinking is exactly what divides nations, claiming people don't belong because of their skin color. Imagine people saying a black American isn't a real American. Sounds pretty racist to me.

Not even close to being the same.
The Dutch Afrikaaners colonized the indigenous people, then named their country after the commonly held name for the continent and were always a statistical minority (albeit a social majority.)
a very large portion of early America’s economy was built on the backs of African slaves who have never been a majority of the US population.

 

[jitzmonkey]

They don't represent Africa, just look at the flags next to their names next time. It's something so incredibly simple yet you seem to have trouble understanding this.

As I understand it, Ngannou does spend a significant amount of time in Africa; and of course has his foundation that helps treat malaria, sends food, and builds gyms in Cameroon.
He might not live there (which makes sense for business,) but he does have a very strong continued connection to his motherland.

 

[Huligani]

As I understand it, Ngannou does spend a significant amount of time in Africa; and of course had his foundation that helps treat malaria, sends food, and builds gyms in Cameroon.
He might not live there (which makes sense for business,) but he does have a very strong continued connection to his motherland.

I don't doubt that, it's just a separate thing from what country he represents in a sport. An athlete represents whatever country he is living and training in. Granted, some athletes live and train in multiple countries so for them you go by their primary country of residence and where they spent most of their time training I guess, but for these guys there aren't even any grey areas like this. DDP is the only fighter in this discussion who fought in MMA while living and training in an African country.

 

[moongaze]

They don't represent Africa, just look at the flags next to their names next time. It's something so incredibly simple yet you seem to have trouble understanding this.

Flags next to their names where? did they put that graphic up or was that someone else? Better yet, why don't you look at the flags that they actually bring in the octagon with them. How does a guy that goes by the name "Nigerian" nightmare represent the united states? Its so incredibly simple yet you seem to have trouble understanding this.

 

[moongaze]

You're still not getting it, but also I didn't directly quote DDP so you might want to go review what DDP actually said. Not true Africans means something completely different than not true African UFC champions. DDP only ever commented on the latter.

How does Usman represent Africa more than DDP? Usman has lived most of his life in the US. Adesanya has lived most of his life in New Zealand. Not one of those 3 fighters ever legitimately represented an African country in MMA. You represent the country you live and train in, it's that simple. DDP has only ever lived and trained in South Africa. He would be the first African UFC champion should he win the belt - not the first African BORN champion, but the first champion to be representing an African country. This is a simple fact that eludes you due to racial tension and being overly emotional about this.

Kamaru Usman's wrestling career. How come he wasn't representing Nigeria?

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Not true Africans means something completely different than not true African UFC champions.

You likely have severe brain damage. that means the exact same thing.

As far as Usman representing africa more than DDP For one, he has an african name as a nickname, comes out to african flag in most of his fights, hosts an mma promotion in africa, frequently mentions and mingles with african celebrities, has talked about his upbrigning in africa a ton and frequently sports the african flag and comes out to african songs in his intros. Everyone that knows Kamaru Usman knows that he's african and nigerian. Most people don't even know that DDP is african. lol

To say that Usman never truely represented Nigeria is dumb and trollish. Who says that you have to represent the country you live and train in? That's false. The country you live and train in is just that.. .the country you live and train in. What you choose to represent is on you. He obviouslly doesn't represent america or his nickname wouldn't consist of an african country you dope.

You saying he would be the first african champ to represent an african country makes zero sense. You can't represent nigeria and africa more than usman did especially after winning. DDP does not represent africa. Usmans family immigrated to the united states. How would he wrestle on an african squad when he was living in the united states at the time? Also how is that even an argument? lol "He wrestled in america so he doesn't represent africa lol

 

[jitzmonkey]

I don't doubt that, it's just a separate thing from what country he represents in a sport. An athlete represents whatever country he is living and training in. Granted, some athletes live and train in multiple countries so for them you go by their primary country of residence and where they spent most of their time training I guess, but for these guys there aren't even any grey areas like this. DDP is the only fighter in this discussion who fought in MMA while living and training in an African country.

Yeah, but unless I'm mistaken he only speaks English and a Dutch colonial dialect.
He's part of a large (albeit quickly shrinking) ethnic minority; and appears to mostly keep company with individuals of European descent in a country where that is becoming increasingly difficult to do since the end of apartheid.

Realistically, the whole discussion began when he spoke about being the true Africans (whole continent,) breathing African air, etc... instead of focusing his comments on his own country.

I'm guessing that he also knew exactly what his words implied when he made the comment
He doesn't come across as some dumb meathead.

BTW, if any aspects of my reply are ill-informed, feel free to correct me.

 

[Barteh]

As I understand it, Ngannou does spend a significant amount of time in Africa; and of course has his foundation that helps treat malaria, sends food, and builds gyms in Cameroon.
He might not live there (which makes sense for business,) but he does have a very strong continued connection to his motherland.

Sure, I'm not saying any of them weren't African. They were born there so it's pretty simple. They just don't represent Africa, but the countries they moved to.

 

[KnockoutsGalore1]

I'm just glad he kept his smile and held his own while scared Izzy was baiting him into saying the hard R.

 

[MMAFanCal]

This is some fake news ...lol ..

Strickland attacked his sexuality first and then DDP brought up the childhood stuff ...

Also the video u post says nothing about a fake injury...sounded like someone being careful of what he said in relation to his injury as what he thinks is a injury worth stopping for could be different then a DR...he clearly wanted to fight izzy just wasn't sure hed ve able too and would need his camps advice...you dont want to fight a guy like izzy Compromised

Not to mention, he fought 3 times in months. Injury or no injury, he had every right to refuse the biggest fight of his career in just two months making 4 fights in 8 months.

 

[2004 account]

Well if you lost to a homeowner youd be upset too

 

[moongaze]

Yeah, but unless I'm mistaken he only speaks English and a Dutch colonial dialect.
He's part of a large (albeit quickly shrinking) ethnic minority; and appears to mostly keep company with individuals of European descent in a country where that is becoming increasingly difficult to do since the end of apartheid.

Realistically, the whole discussion began when he spoke about being the true Africans (whole continent,) breathing African air, etc... instead of focusing his comments on his own country.

I'm guessing that he also knew exactly what his words implied when he made the comment
He doesn't come across as some dumb meathead.

BTW, if any aspects of my reply are ill-informed, feel free to correct me.

exactly, no one on the outside and most in the inside don't even view DDP as african. What exactly does he do that represents africa? He said what he did because he knows the quickest way to reel in mma fans is to be a white guy that says controversial things especially with a racial edge to it. It gets the fans all excited. Conor, colby, chael, stickland..etc. now ddp. He would have been unknown if not for the comment now he gets all the people that like to call Kamaru Marty and like to deny Usman, Izzy and Ngannou of their heritage on his side.

 

[moongaze]

Sure, I'm not saying any of them weren't African. They were born there so it's pretty simple. They just don't represent Africa, but the countries they moved to.

Right . A guy that goes by the "Nigerian" nightmare, visits africa all the time, runs an mma promotion in africa, comes out with an african flag doesn't represent africa. But DDP that does nothing does. Got it.

 

[jitzmonkey]

Sure, I'm not saying any of them weren't African. They were born there so it's pretty simple. They just don't represent Africa, but the countries they moved to.

True,
Did we ever really believe that Ngannou repped France or the USA, though?
Not that he was fighting out of Cameroon or anything; just.... I don't know.

DDP (and I'm admittedly looking at this from a very specific point of view) should have known better than to have specified South Africa as opposed to implying that he was somehow repping the whole continent, though.

It would be interesting to see what non-Izzy fanatics (due to the obvious rivalry) from South Saharan countries in Africa think about him.

I might be completely speaking out of turn.

 

[fizzlehiss]

People that attack him have in common being awful people.

 

[jitzmonkey]

exactly, no one on the outside and most in the inside don't even view DDP as african. What exactly does he do that represents africa? He said what he did because he knows the quickest way to reel in mma fans is to be a white guy that says controversial things especially with a racial edge to it. It gets the fans all excited. Conor, colby, chael, stickland..etc. now ddp. He would have been unknown if not for the comment now he gets all the people that like to call Kamaru Marty and like to deny Usman, Izzy and Ngannou of their heritage on his side.

Yeah, and (I'm not accusing him of being a bigot) that was just subtle enough (dog whistle-esque) to not necessarily be deemed offensive.

Right . A guy that goes by the "Nigerian" nightmare, visits africa all the time, runs an mma promotion in africa, comes out with an african flag doesn't represent africa. But DDP that does nothing does. Got it.

I was under the impression that Usman didn't have super deep ties (had visited very infrequently) to Nigeria since they moved to the states.
Again, I may be incorrect.

 

[moongaze]

True,
Did we ever really believe that Ngannou repped France or the USA, though?
Not that he was fighting out of Cameroon or anything; just.... I don't know.

DDP (and I'm admittedly looking at this from a very specific point of view) should have known better than to have specified South Africa as opposed to implying that he was somehow repping the whole continent, though.

It would be interesting to see what non-Izzy fanatics (due to the obvious rivalry) from South Saharan countries in Africa think about him.

I might be completely speaking out of turn.

Check on twitter after the comments he made. He was bashed by a ton. The only people supporting him are the MAGA types and the people of a certain kind that post on this forum. Everyone else thinks what he said was divisive and out of line.

Yeah, and (I'm not accusing him of being a bigot) that was just subtle enough (dog whistle-esque) to not necessarily be deemed offensive.

I was under the impression that Usman didn't have super deep ties (had visited very infrequently) to Nigeria since they moved to the states.
Again, I may be incorrect.

I'm not sure how often he visited before he became the champ but growing up there for 8 years and being a son of two african parents he's going to have ties to africa regardless. When you come to the united states from africa you're going to feel like an outcast. You're not going to think "oh, I'm in america now so I'm no longer african."

He wasn't accepted in school and its clear to kids that immigrate that they are different. That's where you bond and stick to your roots despite living in a different country for years. Usman represents africa more than Izzy for sure. He is real with it.

 

[Neck&Neck]

Dricus “The White Kang” Duplexes

they hate him cuz they ain’t him

 

[jitzmonkey]

Check on twitter after the comments he made. He was bashed by a ton. The only people supporting him are the MAGA types and the people of a certain kind that post on this forum. Everyone else thinks what he said was divisive and out of line.


I'm not sure how often he visited before he became the champ but growing up there for 8 years and being a son of two african parents he's going to have ties to africa regardless. When you come to the united states from africa you're going to feel like an outcast. You're not going to think "oh, I'm in america now so I'm no longer african."

He wasn't accepted in school and its clear to kids that immigrate that they are different. That's where you bond and stick to your roots despite living in a different country for years. Usman represents africa more than Izzy for sure. He is real with it.

Re Twitter: I haven't had much use for the better part of the decade; so I'll take your word for it.

Re Usman: Definitely not discounting anything you wrote.
Always felt that the Marty from Nebraska (outside of being from a sentiment of comradery) line was condescending.

FWIW, I don't believe that anyone needs to "represent" anything/anywhere; and shouldn't be shamed for doing (or not doing) so.

Ian Garry needs to cool it with the "I hope to represent Brazil and hope that the Brazilians support me as one of their own" foolishness for now, though.

 

[MMAFanCal]

exactly, no one on the outside and most in the inside don't even view DDP as african. What exactly does he do that represents africa? He said what he did because he knows the quickest way to reel in mma fans is to be a white guy that says controversial things especially with a racial edge to it. It gets the fans all excited. Conor, colby, chael, stickland..etc. now ddp. He would have been unknown if not for the comment now he gets all the people that like to call Kamaru Marty and like to deny Usman, Izzy and Ngannou of their heritage on his side.

That is the incredible racist part. Dricus had said it clearly he will be the first African champion who is born, raised and continues to live in Africa.

What is ludicrous in your statement is, someone who was born, raised, trained and lived in Africa ll his life and still continues to live in Africa, is not considered Africa. That is the only place he has only known and still as per your claim he is not African. He has to deal with limitations of training in Africa every day even with basic things like water not being available. People like Adesanya, Ngannou and Usman left Africa the first chance they got.

That is the type of racism people like Muhammad Ali and many other in the civil rights movement fought against because despite being born, raised and living in the US, they were considered from Africa and not true-blood Americans.

The reason why this type of nonsense is acceptable against Dricus, is because he is white and not black. Adesanya is black so he could race bait him all he wants and no one is going to call him out for racism.

 

[Neck&Neck]

What’s crazy is Africa is a huge chunk of land that stretches far, with a lot of different types and shades of African people. Some people can’t seem to recognize that