Opinion Poll: Should all new guns be tracked cradle to grave?

[AGGAMEMNON66]

So this is the only proposal I've seen or thought of that would stand a reasonable chance of allowing, in the distant future, true gun accountability. I'm not sure this is what I would want, but it seems worth thinking about. Here's a rough proposal:

All newly manufactured guns must be tracked by serial/lot/ID, which will identify the manufacturer, make, model, date and place created, other applicable info and a unique identifier for each gun. This will be stored permanently and centrally (federal database) and all transfers are notarized.

Each time the gun is transferred, a central database must be updated with the new owner of the gun, and only that person and their immediate family may possess the gun apart from reasonable temporary exceptions (hunting, target shooting, emergency, grace period for inheritance, safekeeping, repair, etc.).

It will be illegal to possess any gun manufactured after the date of the law that does not have those identifiers, and with reasonable exceptions it will be illegal to possess any gun that was not legally transferred to you.

Stolen guns must be reported immediately and fraud carries a mandatory minimum of 5 years. Illegal manufacture gets 10 years.

All legal guns before the date of the law are grandfathered in and only become tracked upon transfer for guns manufactured after 1990, and do not need to be tracked if manufactured before 1990.

It's assumed that all manufacturing of "printed" guns fall under the same rules.​

I don't expect much agreement with this, but I do like the idea a lot more than I like fighting over accessories and magazines and shit.

No, because registry is directly connected to confiscation. It’s extremely dangerous to promote these kinds of things for that reason, among others.

 

[Bamboozled]

You didn't even define what "straped like Rambo" even means. You're trying to use a non-existent fictional character to draw your distinction, hence why your attempt at a distinction was useless.

You then proceeded to say that open carrying any gun is irresponsible with your one word answer of "yes".

So your attempt at drawing a distinction doesn't even apply to your own standards.

A knife is just a tool. A gun is just a tool. Both require malevolence or negligence in order to be deadly.

Your fear and hatred of open carry is irrational and unnecessary.

We know what he means though, even if its fictional. But you're right, his feelings don't matter. It's not about feelings. It's about having an armed citizenship to prevent government abuse. @HereticBD You think its scary that a 1/10000000000000 chance of being shot in public? Imagine if governments could quarantine your block or city, it'd be 1000000x more likely.

 

[My Spot]

I wonder how many liberals don't know that it's a thing in Bernie's state.
It's in 16 states now. GA should have it soon enough.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

The entire point is to be armed against shit like government and their systems.

So fuck no

^There’s truth in this as well.


All the ‘weapons of war’ shit cracks me up because, well, yeah.. one of the reasons we have the 2nd in place is to, you know, fight a fucking war if we had to.

 

[all caps]

What's been the leading cause of death for humans in the last 500 years?

 

[ultramanhyata]

Shall not be infringed

You probably consider the fact that you have to roll off your sofa and then drive your scooter to Walmart and then get off your scooter to pull the flattened wallet out of your size 57 back pocket in order to pay for a firearm to be an "infringement".

 

[all caps]

You probably consider the fact that you have to roll off your sofa and then drive your scooter to Walmart and then get off your scooter to pull the flattened wallet out of your size 57 back pocket in order to pay for a firearm to be an "infringement".

Funny post bro

 

[Fight To Win]

What's been the leading cause of death for humans in the last 500 years?

Probably breathing oxygen. 100% of people who have breathed oxygen in the last 500 years have died. Checkmate. We must ban oxygen. Oxygen free zones. Oxygen control. Oxygen supremacists must be stopped.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

What's been the leading cause of death for humans in the last 500 years?

Governments.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

You probably consider the fact that you have to roll off your sofa and then drive your scooter to Walmart and then get off your scooter to pull the flattened wallet out of your size 57 back pocket in order to pay for a firearm to be an "infringement".

Of course not. I'm not socialist, I don't expect others work, goods or services to be free. Also Walmart has a shit gun selection

 

[all caps]

Probably breathing oxygen. 100% of people who have breathed oxygen in the last 500 years have died. Checkmate. We must ban oxygen. Oxygen free zones. Oxygen control. Oxygen supremacists must be stopped.

Oh dont worry, we'll get taxed for that eventually

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Oh dont worry, we'll get taxed for that eventually

If you have a vehicle or travel on planes you already get taxed for air pollution I believe.

 

[Gregolian]

Mandatory Minimums.....

 

[hillelslovak87]

its been settled for quite some time, quit trying to beat a dead horse.

LeBron > Jordan

Citizens are the well regulated militia, that means they are adequately armed to fight off oppression. I don't give a single fuck about anything else.

Odd, considering each state had different rules. Doesn't seem like the blanket protection you seem to think it is. What say you of gun storage for militia members in common spaces, or ammo? Wouldn't that be infringing the militia member's ability to defend themselves from the government, these state government gun and ammo storage facilities?

 

[Bamboozled]

Odd, considering each state had different rules. Doesn't seem like the blanket protection you seem to think it is. What say you of gun storage for militia members in common spaces, or ammo? Wouldn't that be infringing the militia member's ability to defend themselves from the government, these state government gun and ammo storage facilities?

Supremacy clause rules it the law of the land, over state.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Supremacy clause rules it the law of the land, over state.

Yeah, they didn't see it that way, the southerners, hence the civil war. The federal laws put it on the states to decide their strictures in regards to arms and militias.

 

[Bamboozled]

Yeah, they didn't see it that way, the southerners, hence the civil war. The federal laws put it on the states to decide their strictures in regards to arms and militias.

But they lost, so whats your fucking point?

The federal just made it okay to enlist the militia of the states in national emergency.

 

[hillelslovak87]

But they lost, so whats your fucking point?

The federal just made it okay to enlist the militia of the states in national emergency.

Yet, the states still reserved the right to structure their militias themselves and regulate them, until the civil war. It was what Madison assured Henry would never happen, what Lincoln did. I'm speaking of their intention, the men who wrote it, and their deliberations, which are crystalline clear.

 

[Bamboozled]

Yet, the states still reserved the right to structure their militias themselves and regulate them, until the civil war. It was what Madison assured Henry would never happen, what Lincoln did. I'm speaking of their intention, the men who wrote it, and their deliberations, which are crystalline clear.

We post civil war fam, the supreme court has ruled on this. You're about 150 years late breh

 

[hillelslovak87]

We post civil war fam, the supreme court has ruled on this. You're about 150 years late breh

Then you're admitting there can be changes, and the second amendment is not an absolute?