Elections Poll: Biden or Trump, who are you voting for?

Biden or Trump, who are you voting for?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 195 40.5%

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 102 21.2%

  • I'm not an American citizen, but I would vote for Trump

    Votes: 58 12.1%

  • I'm not an American citizen, but I would vote for Biden

    Votes: 37 7.7%

  • Neither

    Votes: 64 13.3%

  • I'm not an American citizen, but I wouldn't vote for either of them

    Votes: 25 5.2%
  • Total voters
    481
PHATV said:
Meh, I'm thinking the chances of that are slim. It will be close, but I suspect Trump wins re-election via a similar path as last time. That incumbent part is always big.
We'll see.
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My personal life doesn't change one iota regardless of who wins, at least insofar as what i care about. I live in a moderate rural California county, so my taxes might change a little but not much else. I have a lot of people in my life (who generally perform services for me and my family) who are undocumented people from Mexico. Some of the best, and hardest working people I've ever met. The demonization of those people is my only real gripe with Trump other than the fact that I despise liars and cheaters.
 
Bloody Pulp said:
If Trump wins PA by a small margin, I will not be at all surprised if the next several days aren’t filled with Biden slowly gaining ground on late counted ballots. The courts saying the states have to assume the ballots were post marked before the election, even if the post mark is illegible or not present at all, is absurd and ripe for abuse.
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Yeah, that's the doomsday scenario and where they need a full court, though I would suspect that particular issue would be more than a 5-4 decision in favor of no shenanigans. Illegible or no postmark at all? GTFO with that. Anyone who values election integrity should say the same.
Not only that, but the USPS went full-retard and endorsed Biden (as opposed to at least feigning a non-political stance), so who's to say they wouldn't fire up the postmark machines and have plenty available in the event of a close count.
I hope we don't see any of that.
I have Trump winning PA, though. By a couple/few points. So hopefully, none of the doomsday scenarios are a concern.
I will say same as if Biden wins PA by 3, it's over no doomsday scenario, either---absent shenanigans.
<Goldie11>
I think we'll have a clear victor.
<209Bitch>
 
Bloody Pulp said:
Not really. The polls are still awful. Biden is doing worse than Hillary was in almost every swing state.
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But the national polling wasn't awful in 2016, it was quite accurate, objectively.

And you're taking a political operative's (yes, that is what Barris is, I've listened to him talk) polling as an objective truth above and beyond the vast consensus of polling.
 
andnowweknow said:
My personal life doesn't change one iota regardless of who wins, at least insofar as what i care about. I live in a moderate rural California county, so my taxes might change a little but not much else. I have a lot of people in my life (who generally perform services for me and my family) who are undocumented people from Mexico. Some of the best, and hardest working people I've ever met. The demonization of those people is my only real gripe with Trump other than the fact that I despise liars and cheaters.
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The word is illegal.
 
andnowweknow said:
But the national polling wasn't awful in 2016, it was quite accurate, objectively.

And you're taking a political operative's (yes, that is what Barris is, I've listened to him talk) polling as an objective truth above and beyond the vast consensus of polling.
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he’s not an “operative”. He definitely is a republican and wants R’s to win, but his data stands on its own.
 
andnowweknow said:
My personal life doesn't change one iota regardless of who wins, at least insofar as what i care about. I live in a moderate rural California county, so my taxes might change a little but not much else. I have a lot of people in my life (who generally perform services for me and my family) who are undocumented people from Mexico. Some of the best, and hardest working people I've ever met. The demonization of those people is my only real gripe with Trump other than the fact that I despise liars and cheaters.
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Do you pay them the same wages you would have to pay a legal immigrant or fellow citizen who pays taxes and insurance and social security and all that good stuff? If so, why? Why not employ someone here legally? If not, aren't you then part of the problem, exploiting them as it were?
I've met plenty who were hard workers and always showed up. I liked many of them. Ate/drank with them. I would have done the same thing for 10/15 years and then retired back home in comfort (which is the way they did it back 30/40 years ago). That's not the point or the bigger picture. A sovereign nation must have a sovereign border. We can happily and hopefully take in immigrants with skills we need from labor to IT, but they have to come in here legally. I know Americans who are of Mexican decent and have lived in places like TX, AZ, NM for many generations. Longer than my family. Interestingly, they feel the same way about the issue that I do. Like 100% of them, actually. Which is telling. They are Americans through and through. Anyway, enough of an off-topic rant, there. Sorry.
 
Bloody Pulp said:


he’s not an “operative”. He definitely is a republican and wants R’s to win, but his data stands on its own.
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What data? He didn't cite anything whatsoever, and doesn't even give a margin of error.

If he did, which I didn't see at any point on his feed, provide it please.
 
PHATV said:
Yeah, that's the doomsday scenario and where they need a full court, though I would suspect that particular issue would be more than a 5-4 decision in favor of no shenanigans. Illegible or no postmark at all? GTFO with that. Anyone who values election integrity should say the same.
Not only that, but the USPS went full-retard and endorsed Biden (as opposed to at least feigning a non-political stance), so who's to say they wouldn't fire up the postmark machines and have plenty available in the event of a close count.
I hope we don't see any of that.
I have Trump winning PA, though. By a couple/few points. So hopefully, none of the doomsday scenarios are a concern.
I will say same as if Biden wins PA by 3, it's over no doomsday scenario, either---absent shenanigans.
<Goldie11>
I think we'll have a clear victor.
<209Bitch>
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I think the problem here in PA is that they cannot do anything with the mail in ballots until election day. They received mine on October 3rd but it will sit there unopened until November 3rd. I'm not sure what the process is for opening and counting them but I could see it taking a few days to open hundreds of thousands of envelopes.
 
HereticBD said:
Why exactly are you only accusing the Republicans of hypocrisy here?

Both parties are on the record of being incredibly hypocritical related to this matter. Yes, people like Graham are on tape being a hypocrite...but they were all responding to Democrats saying the same scenario was A-OK. To say that only one side is being hypocritical here, is just hackish. They're all a bunch of bullshitters here. You know damn well the Dems would be doing this if roles were reversed. Hell, they tried. They just didn't have the numbers to pull it off.
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Because they are being hypocrites and holding Republicans to the standards they set is more than fair play.
 
Even if he loses (which would be terrible for the country) trump will live on as the official sherdog commander in queef
 
Biden. Im centrist but there is nothing you can say to me to convince me Trump hasnt been an absolutely unqualified fraud from the start pushing extreme right wing bullshit.
 
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