As far as the Sweden argument goes, their cases are declining but they had a far higher death rate than neighboring countries, and still continue to have a higher death rate even with the declines. It's hard to draw conclusions about their strategy, considering those facts and that we saw opposite effects in America as some states opened up early. Should also point out that Sweden did ban mass gatherings. And they had widespread social distancing, it was just voluntary rather than mandated. So you could potentially add a cultural factor into that in how their population followed guidelines. There isn't enough evidence to point toward a significant herd immunity in Sweden (or NYC), but it's very unlikely it would be anything near what we call "herd immunity" when we refer to vaccinated populations.
I do think it's worth pointing out though that the number of cases in America (and elsewhere) is probably much higher than the number of confirmed cases, so you need to take that into account when discussing immunity.
Unfortunately you guys still dont get it. There is no stopping this virus, either you reach herd immuniity faster or slower, that is it. Lockdowns dont stop anything, they just delay the end point, which is either herd immunity or vaccine.
You can see herd immunity being approached quite clearly, there is nothing to quibble about, you can only get declining cases without lockdown if you are approaching herd immunity, there is no other reason it happens.
Look at daily deaths of ny v sweden. Tell me what the difference is, beyond cuomo's incompetence killing 1000s of seniors for no reason.
Sweden deaths
New York deaths
The political take away is that the media are fear mongering as usual, and a one size fits all policy for USA will not work.
You view it how you like, but the fact is that universal lock downs were unnecessary and its a good thing trump had the foresight to see it. Understand or not, the DNC would have devastated us economy with universal lock downs even further than now as they don't want to govern, just stand in front of cameras to virtue signal. Governing is difficult.
Here is daily deaths in Arizona which DNC is lying about currently. Where is the exponential rise?
Arizona, deaths
Arizona new cases
Yes, DNC will try to make the most of it. But its just bs. You can clearly see deaths rising slower, even accounting for delay, than infections, in these circumstances lock down is not only pointless, but detrimental as delays herd immunity for no reason.
For christ's sake, this is good news, let go of your hatred for trump and be happy this nightmare is coming to end. i'm sorry your biggest nightmare is trump is right about something.
So, will Trump get re-elected, things don't look good for him, but he is facing a man in severe mental decline. Without the pandemic he was on his way to re-election, but his fault or not, its made it far more difficult without a doubt. But I will just play it as I see it, as will you.
But please no more nonsense about exponential rises and 1.4%, weird obssesion, and all the rest of the delusional nonsense.