Police Detectives get young pot-head killed as a snitch

[Steven_Universe]

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...eft-turn-rachel-hoffman-didnt-make/417894001/

A case from 2008

Totally legal but so immoral.

University student gets caught with marijuana.

Police detectives offer to drop charges if she goes snitch for them.

She puts on a wire, and tries to buy ecstasy and a handgun from REAL gangbangers.

They instantly out her as a snitch and kill her.

What do you think is the lesson here. Don’t smoke pot? Don’t trust the police? Don’t wear a wire?

As a side note. A fucking WIRE! A physical Wire?! They could put a recording device in her earring or something that goes undetected.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Don’t trust the police?

Sounds about right.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Sounds like marijuana really is a gateway drug into harder drugs and violence

 

[Cid]

Drug prohibition punishments shit on the 8th amendment.

 

[Son of Jamin]

...and people say that there are no deaths linked to marijuana.

 

[HunterAcosta]

Bullshit cops. Putting someone in undercover mode over some weed . Poor girl .

 

[chubbman]

She sure seemed to know a lot of drug dealers. Shitty this happened to her but she appears to be more in to the game than people want to admit.

 

[Eric Lau]

Sounds more like she tried to have fun with the drug dealers and they ain't having none of her snitch bs.

 

[HereticBD]

Depends on the State's outlook on weed. Some States treat it like it's cocaine, so if she was busted with a decent amount, she could've been facing a harsh punishment. Harsh enough, that cutting a deal to snitch might've been worth her while.

Now, if the cops took advantage of a very naive girl who wasn't in much trouble over a joint, or something, that would be pretty reprehensible.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Depends on the State's outlook on weed. Some States treat it like it's cocaine, so if she was busted with a decent amount, she could've been facing a harsh punishment. Harsh enough, that cutting a deal to snitch might've been worth her while.

Now, if the cops took advantage of a very naive girl who wasn't in much trouble over a joint, or something, that would be pretty reprehensible.

She was caught with a quarter-pound, that's a lot of weed and you're fucked in virtually every state where its illegal if you're caught with that amount. Hell, I bet even in recreational states you're not supposed to have that much on you. Plus she had ecstasy at her apartment when they, rightfully after finding her with a qp, searched it. She was no naive girl.

Not to mention she was the one who suggested her becoming an informant, at least according to the cop.

Ryan Pender trusted Rachel Hoffman. He liked her, thought she was smart, was impressed with her street slang and ability to figure in her head the price of a bunch of drugs. She told him things that could get her into more trouble than she already was in when he busted her at her Polos on Park apartment in April with a quarter-pound of pot. She pressed him, he said, to make her a confidential informant.

I'm against marijuana prohibition and I believe that the cops engage in some scummy tactics to enforce it(no knock raids, undercover sting operations in schools etc) but honestly in this case its mostly on the girl. It seems that the cops put her up to an operation where she was in over her head so they do deserve some blame to be sure but she seemed willing to go through with it so she shoulders some of the blame as well.

Still a tragedy of course and I feel for her family and friends and the cops as well, they must feel pretty guilty over getting a young woman killed.

 

[deadshot138]

I’ll take “Who Gives A Fuck?” for $100, Alex.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

OP is full of lies.

The girl wasn't working off charges just for weed.

Becoming an informant was apparently her suggestion, not an offer made by the cops.

She was not "instantly" outed as an informant and killed. she was killed in the midst of disobeying a police order intended to keep her safe.

Cops don't exactly sound innocent and I do not think a drug charge should have landed her in this situation, but her fate was a direct consequence of her decisions and she bears a majority of the responsibility.

I guess the lesson is that police work isn't a game and that if you're in a situation where you are depending on police protection, you should probably follow the police instructions.
Also, always keep maintain visual contact with your informants

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

It doesn't matter whose idea her becoming an informant was, or how much weed she was caught with: in this situation, the cops willingly put this woman in an incredibly dangerous situation, and that's on them.

 

[unimackpass]

As a dad there's only one alternative.

 

[irish_thug]

Hell, I bet even in recreational states you're not supposed to have that much on you.

We are in the process of rolling out legalization here, that will be 3.5 times the personal possession limit when the laws officially change.

 

[irish_thug]

As a dad there's only one alternative.

As a dad, I'll just raise my daughter better.

 

[HockeyBjj]

This exact thing happened to a good friend of mine’s brother

http://m.startribune.com/n-d-studen...rug-informants-on-college-campuses/317440111/

Cops used an informant to buy $80 of weed off the guy. Then threatened him with up to 40 years since the drug sale happened on school grounds and any amount of any drug can become a class A felony. The guy became an informant for them, bought pot 3 times while wearing a recorder. Cops pressured him to do more if he wanted the deal. Then he stopped communicating with police. Cops filed the charges against him, and then a week later they found his body in a river with a gunshot wound to the head and wearing a backpack full of rocks

Dude sold some pot on campus. Was given an ultimatum of become a snitch or go to prison til you’re 80. And then was pushed to do more and more busts, until he was killed because he was sent in to do essentially undercover police work with 0 training

The parents got a bill passed in ND limiting the usage of informants and requiring a lawyer present for the agreement. Parents also have a wrongful death lawsuit out there to keep the pressure up. Police tried to sweep it under the rug saying it was inconclusive if it was even a murder and could have been suicide

 

[Islam Imamate]

We are in the process of rolling out legalization here, that will be 3.5 times the personal possession limit when the laws officially change.

Yeah its not some tiny personal stash unless you're some Snoop Dogg level stoner, she was dealing to somebody with that much. That amount of weed is something people would kill over.

As a dad, I'll just raise my daughter better.

To be fair she had graduated from college so its not like she was some career criminal and deadbeat. Not saying you don't have a point because I believe you do but at the same time I do think its too easy to dismiss people involved with drugs as bad or losers when the uncomfortable reality is that many are successful when judged by reasonable metrics(income, education, relationship quality/stability etc).

 

[Hollywood Jack]

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...eft-turn-rachel-hoffman-didnt-make/417894001/

A case from 2008

Totally legal but so immoral.

University student gets caught with marijuana.

Police detectives offer to drop charges if she goes snitch for them.

She puts on a wire, and tries to buy ecstasy and a handgun from REAL gangbangers.

They instantly out her as a snitch and kill her.

What do you think is the lesson here. Don’t smoke pot? Don’t trust the police? Don’t wear a wire?

As a side note. A fucking WIRE! A physical Wire?! They could put a recording device in her earring or something that goes undetected.

2008 was only 10 years ago, but was that technology widespread back then with local police departments? Indefensible, though.

 

[HereticBD]

It doesn't matter whose idea her becoming an informant was, or how much weed she was caught with: in this situation, the cops willingly put this woman in an incredibly dangerous situation, and that's on them.

They willingly do it everyday with confidential informants. It's all part of the game.

It's on her for getting herself into a bind, that forced her into that situation. She didn't have to do it. She could've just taken her punishment, instead of doing something risky to get out of it.