Poatan accepted the immediate rematch

[dominion]

He doesn't necessarily beat izzys opponents, but he has izzys number. Styles make fights and Alex can only improve in a few months, much more than Izzy

Alex isn't a spring chicken, but if they fight again next? Alex fucks him up AGAIN

Probably worse. People only remember the ending but the truth is Izzy got away with a lot of shit went his way.

Like the punch in the 1st round came after the bell. Considering Alex won that round if not for the that punch, it would have been 2-2 going into the last round with Alex winning the 5th decisively before checking Izzy's leg kick and finishing him.

3rd round Izzy won by holding Alex on the ground on a botched trip attempt. How likely is that to ever happen again...

And speaking of leg kicks, all the little tricks that work on others for Izzy, doesn't work on Alex. He can literally turn it on and get Izzy out of there any time he wants. He chooses at the end to not gas himself, and people think it was some miracle comeback.

 

[Shaddows]

Look I don't like izzy and I wanted alex to knock him out but he was on his way to an L until the KO so yes izzy deserves another crack

rob had nothing for izzy in their first fight and quite frankly fought like a retard throwing wild long looping and embarrassing punches and I say that even tho I like rob a lot more than izzy and rooted for him in both their fights
you don't get an immediate rematch performing like that unless you provide access to the massive chinese market

you might not like it but the "I was winning" immediate rematches are a lot more fair then those based on reputation or market access

I respect how you thing, it is just not how I think.
Any KO specialist will lose rounds because he does not care about winning just rounds. they want to end fights. So Aex losing rounds until he caught Izzy is exactly how Alex wanted.
And Izzy was done, so I disagree there's any room to think he would win that fight.
That all means there's no controversy. So why does he get an immediate rematch?

I think Aldo had a bigger plea to get an instant rematch, and yet he didn't get one. So how can you explain why Izzy deserves one?

 

[Shaddows]

Only if they will fight in Brazil in January

I think that's fair.
But why January?
IMHO Izzy will get (at least) 30-60 days without training due to the stoppage. So I don't think it would be "fair".
Besides, the longer this goes, Alex gets more well rounded, which he sorely needs to be able to defend against grappling. So it will only benefit the division if he has more time.

 

[Stat_Collector]

I'm ok with it. The likes of Whittaker, Vettori and Khamzat most likely beat him via grappling. Let him have at least one title defense.

On another note, Izzy might literally be on suicide watch if he goes 0-4 against the same guy.

Am i the only one who feels that Alex's counter grappling is good?

i get Khamzat taking him down. But is he efficient enough to backpack him and submit him? wouldn't his massive size pose as a problem? Also Chimaev getting rocked by Gilbert who is nowhere near as good as Alex. Just some 2 cents.

 

[stacrafty]

Izzy fans on copium overdose.

"Izzy was dominating the fight!"
"What a bad stoppage. Izzy was robbed!!"
"Pereira didn't even deserve a title shot!!!"

Izzy was winning the fight. Wasn't dominating.

Izzy proved he was the better striker. Alex proved he's an ogre with great recovery and insane power.

Izzy had no problems with the stoppage - joke about mazzagati, but said he's ok with it.

Lastly, izzy accepted the title shot. Welcomed it

 

[textwarrior]

"It was agreat fight. I think that anyone who paid to watch got their money's worth. He des deserve (the rematch). For me, there's no problem. This is not under my control if he will fight or won't.
To me, it makes no difference. He just has to come." declared the new UFC champion.


hehehehe.
I think this is inevitable.
Not because I think Israel deserves the immediate rematch, he does not.
But it is fairly obvious that if the UFC makes him fight anyone else, Alex will lose his belt to the next contender; and that will mean this "grudge match" will probably not happen again (or will happen like Masvidal & Colby, where both guys were quite diminished, so the fight had more desperation than spark)...

Thoughts?

Alex comes to fight whoever, thats cool.

 

[ChimRichalds]

Of course Izzy deserves the rematch. People here just hate Izzy and want to pile it on while he's down. Sure, the immediate rematches have gone a bit too far recently, but this one is deserved.

 

[Dethen]

0-4 and Izzy is put on Oxygen once again.

I dunno man, decision in first kickboxing match, oxygen in second. TKO in first MMA match.... who knows what the fuck happens second MMA match but the trend does not look good for Izzy.

 

[dre quinn]

Israel has the worst offensive grappling out of the fighters mentioned and he still had Alex's back and was on his guard for the whole round. You don't really have to be a superb grappler to beat Alex on the ground. I agree that Pereira KOs both if the fight stays on the feet but unlikely.

Alex took down and handled adesanya better on the ground than whitaker.

 

[mirellale]

Alex took down and handled adesanya better on the ground than whitaker.

Element of surprise. I am pretty sure Izzy was not expecting a TD from Alex. While he was expecting it from Whittaker. This is definitely a factor

 

[Rank Squatter]

Izzy needs to gain weight weight and muscle and I don't see him .along that happen with the weight cut

Somehow Alex does it but he does seem bigger and stronger by far

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

I think that's fair.
But why January?
IMHO Izzy will get (at least) 30-60 days without training due to the stoppage. So I don't think it would be "fair".
Besides, the longer this goes, Alex gets more well rounded, which he sorely needs to be able to defend against grappling. So it will only benefit the division if he has more time.

Otherwise you are holding up the division, and Alex is not young, he has no time to waste

 

[djason1988]

"It was agreat fight. I think that anyone who paid to watch got their money's worth. He des deserve (the rematch). For me, there's no problem. This is not under my control if he will fight or won't.
To me, it makes no difference. He just has to come." declared the new UFC champion.


hehehehe.
I think this is inevitable.
Not because I think Israel deserves the immediate rematch, he does not.
But it is fairly obvious that if the UFC makes him fight anyone else, Alex will lose his belt to the next contender; and that will mean this "grudge match" will probably not happen again (or will happen like Masvidal & Colby, where both guys were quite diminished, so the fight had more desperation than spark)...

Thoughts?

Israel "does not" deserve it? UFC is handing out rematches like candy on Halloween, and izzy is the second most dominant MW champion in history, who was winning that fight fairly handily until poatan caught him. It's hard to make a case for any rematch if you don't think izzy should get one.

 

[Shaddows]

Israel "does not" deserve it? UFC is handing out rematches like candy on Halloween, and izzy is the second most dominant MW champion in history, who was winning that fight fairly handily until poatan caught him. It's hard to make a case for any rematch if you don't think izzy should get one.

LOL at the "UFC is handing out rematches like candy on Halloween"! made me genuinely laugh out loud!
but that's the thing.
Alex "caught" his opponent in 6 out of 7 MMA total wins for a total of 8 MMA fights in his career!!!!
So when do you stop thinking that this was an accident? Or do you think that 80% of his fights were all just lucky punches?

And please explain to me how did it make sense to you that Aldo (who has far more wins AND title defenses) did not get a title shot?
Why would Israel deserve it more than Aldo?

 

[djason1988]

LOL at the "UFC is handing out rematches like candy on Halloween"! made me genuinely laugh out loud!
but that's the thing.
Alex "caught" his opponent 6 out of 7 wins!!!
So when do you stop thinking that this was an accident?

And please explain to me how did it make sense that Aldo (who has far more wins in title defenses) not getting a title shot?
Why would Israel deserve it more than Aldo?

Aldo should have got a rematch, that was bullshit, but that was several years ago. Not sure what that has to do with this? As for poatan "catching" people, this was the first fight where he was getting his ass kicked, so yea, he caught izzy. Same way leon caught usman. Izzy was 2 minutes from winning a pretty clear cut decision, and almost finished him in the first.

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

If Izzy has a smart team around him they will suggest he takes some time off. What's really going to change if he jumps right back in there and they do it again? Sure he might win this time, but it's also likely nothing changes and he gets stopped again.

Let him take some time off, maybe fight someone else to get some some swagger back, and then go for it. If Poatan loses the belt between now and then it doesn't really matter. Izzy has won and defended that belt so many times that it's more about just beating this guy rather than the title.

Yep.
If anyone beats Alex, Izzy beats them.
It's the safe bet.
Besides, he talked about taking care of a health issue. He deserves a break. It's Dana pushing the rematch.

 

[Shaddows]

Otherwise you are holding up the division, and Alex is not young, he has no time to waste

heh... That's for HIS benefit! He is the one that NEEDS time!!! Every other opponent will take him down in seconds!!!

Besides, as I mentioned, Adesanya is expected to get (at least) 30 to 90 days suspension due to the KO. That means he can't train until weeks before his next fight!

So you think it would help him to NOT train to fight (again) against the same guy that just finished you??? allowing his opponent to improve for the next fight, learn from his mistakes and train new strategies ?

I don't know.... it makes me thing this is the wrong strategy!

 

[Oz.Pride]

My favourite scenario here (which requires a little heartbreak sadly)

- Izzy sits out. Well deserved break
- Jiri beats Old Man Glover in brutal fashion in the rematch. (Breaking my heart in the process. I fucking love Old Man Glover)
- Poatan challenges the man who beat his training partner.
- UFC makes Alex vs Jiri for the 205 belt.
- gentlemen's agreement to stand and bang
- Regardless of what happens, we get to see Frankenstein's Brazillian monster again AND we get Alex vs Izzy 4, say may/June next year


Also imagine if he knocked Jiri out and became Champ Champ with 5 fucking MMA fights



My body is ready.

 

[Shaddows]

Aldo should have got a rematch, that was bullshit, but that was several years ago. Not sure what that has to do with this? As for poatan "catching" people, this was the first fight where he was getting his ass kicked, so yea, he caught izzy. Same way leon caught usman. Izzy was 2 minutes from winning a pretty clear cut decision, and almost finished him in the first.

oh, you mean when he hit Alex after the belt? interesting!
But there's a lot to unpack, so let me go by parts here!

Aldo should have got a rematch, that was bullshit, but that was several years ago.

Oh, so because it doesn't happen every fight it is ok to change the rules???

Not sure what that has to do with this?

how can you claim Izzy deserves an immediate rematch more than Aldo did? And how does time changes what happened previously???

As for poatan "catching" people, this was the first fight where he was getting his ass kicked.

how does that change? If you are an "KO artist", you can KO people. It doesn't matter if he was winning or loosing the fight! Most people that goes for broke save their energy for "that power shot", and that's what Alex did!

so yea, he caught izzy. Same way leon caught usman.

Sorry, but just no.
This is just a terrible example!!!
Leon did not knock anyone out in 9 of his 10 previous fights!
Alex KO'd 7 of his last 8 opponents!
How can you even try to compare both fighters??

If anything, Leon's probability of knocking out Usman was almost zero looking at his record! Almost same probability that Alex would win via knocking out his opponent!

Izzy was 2 minutes from winning a pretty clear cut decision.

Yes, which is just how Izzy fight (for a decision)... against a guy that doesn't care for points, because his objective is to not let the fights get in the hands of the jury...


Sorry, I just don't see how you can explain your points without looking at it without bias...

 

[Saye_mc]

I honestly don't think Izzy should come back quick enough to Warrant an immediate rematch, without holding up the division, honestly he should take a year off, I know a lot of people think that fight was stopped early, but those are people who have never been punched. That compact left hook was a life changing shot imo