Please give Ferguson his respect

Olivera has been rag dolling people at 155, I knew he was going to man handle Tony

The truth is Tony has garbage wrestling, it has always been terrible and his stand up was always very sloppy

The reason you think Tony wasn’t himself against Charles was because Charles basically broke his arm in the first. Tony had no chance of winning after that armbar

But to fair, few more seconds in the first and Charles would have won by TKO arm break. Tony was not getting out of that. Tony couldn’t do anything in the second and third because he literally had one arm, he couldn’t extend his left arm at all
Nah, Tony didn't really look himself even before the arm break. I thought there was a pretty clear hesitancy in him compared to how he usually approaches the pocket and looks to draw out his opponent's attacks. It actually looked to throw Oliveira off a bit too because he seemed like he was prepared to be in counter mode and wait for Tony to crash into him, but had to take the lead himself because it wasn't happening. He definitely looked like his last loss affected his approach a bit, which is only normal when you get beat up that badly.

I don't disagree with the other stuff though. Oliveira has gotten physically bigger and stronger over the years, and his wrestling has improved, and Tony's takedown defense has always been pretty bad. He tries to use his and his opponent's momentum to roll through, create scrambles, and threaten subs to prevent ending up in bad positions on the ground when he should be doing things like digging for underhooks, and that shit just didn't fly with the level of grappler Oliveira is. His striking is also very sloppy, but it's persistent, unorthodox, and he's willing to take shots to chip away at opponents. As I mentioned, that sort of style isn't sustainable, and it's the kind of approach that can work well until you meet someone who hits you hard enough to give you pause, which he did against MJ and Justin. After that Justin beating, he looked more wary of just sloppily pushing into the pocket against Oliveira, and if he can't do that, he can't start to set his pace. Add on top of Oliveira's wrestling and his lackluster takedown defense, and his cavalier manner of grappling that works against a lot of guys, but obviously not against someone who is MUCH better than he is on the ground, and he was doomed.

After that first round I already knew the fight was done. He of course tried to fight valiantly through the arm injury because that's just Tony, but all he could really do was survive. I honestly thought they might call it after the first.
 
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Why do people say he's almost 37? Just say he's 36.
 
I agree with this. Gaethje can stand with Tony all night long and get the better of him. Charles can also take Tony down at will and ground and pound him or submit him. Unfortunately, Tony lost his aura of invincibility and people figured out how to beat his style. The gig is up for Tony. I still admire him very much. I love his competitive spirit. #Respect
What aura of invincibility? He gets dropped and/or rocked like every fight haha.
I don't necessarily think it's a "he got figured out" moment like say with Pettis, where after RDA people basically just realized that if you pressure him he's going to allow his back to get to the cage, he's going to show little to no urgency to get out of clinch situations, and he's just not nearly as good if you don't give him his preferred range. It's more that Tony's just getting beat by guys who are flat out better than him. You put him in there with the guys he beat and he probably still beats them.
 
What’s going on with everyone here? People are ripping him saying he was never good and he is overrated etc. he lost too a beast of a fighter in Olivera at almost 37 years of age after taking a beating from gaethje. Ferguson is one of the toughest guys in the world and at one point of time beat the best fight after fight. While gouys like chandler duck everyone Ferguson steps up and fights them. Before this fight was made I am pretty sure no guys in the top 10 wanted too fight do Bronx. Of course when ufc offered it too Ferguson he stepped up and almost got his arm broken as well as losing badly but he toughed it out. Give this man his respect and remember how good he was in his prime.
Ferguson ducked Chandler. Very, very publicly....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mm...l-out-theres-a-0-chance-ill-fight-in-december

Chandler responding to Tony calling him out

“Tony, you had the opportunity to fight me in October and you said no. You didn’t even bring up fighting in December until it was way past the 11th hour.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mmajun...willing-to-fight-tony-ferguson-at-ufc-254/amp

Here's Chandler calling out Ferguson after the UFC offered him Chandler
I’m already going Oct. 24th, I’m already making weight, so yes, I would definitely fight him, Chandler said. “He’s kind of the only guy that I’m interested in fighting right now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/ufc-fighter-tony-ferguson-just-slammed-dana-white-for-mishandling-matchups-bro-were-not-friends/?amp

Here's the Jesus reporting how Tony blatantly turned Chandler down

Regardless, after that fight fell through, the UFC tried to book a fight between Ferguson and Chandler. But once again, it fell through. The UFC claimed that Ferguson “went dark” during negotiations; Ferguson said he was busy with training and having a personal life. He said, according to MMA Fighting, “I’m too busy working, or trying to make my life better from the **** that I had to go through.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mm...chael-chandler-more-than-him-poirier-espn-mma

Right from Tony's mouth

According to Ferguson, a fight against Michael Chandler was offered, but it was never finalized, either. To hear “El Cucuy” break it down, it seems the promotion was willing to pay Michael Chandler — the recently-signed former Bellator MMA 155-pound champion — more than the two established UFC veterans.

Something that obviously didn’t sit too well with him.

“Now you’re going to bring in a new dude who I have no clue who this dude is,” he said on Ariel Helwani’s MMA Show (via MMA Fighting). “From a marketing standpoint, dude has less than 100k [followers] on Twitter. You’re going to try him more notoriety by throwing him against me and throwing him on the Khabib card. I get it, but don’t pay him more than us. He has zero time in the UFC.”
 
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I'm fairly certain everyone on here respects his toughness and loves watching his fights (even his recent loses have been incredible to watch from a non biased point of view). It's his awkward/cringe inducing moments in front of the camera and his & his fans delusions of grandeur that people take issue with. The man has taken tremendous amounts of damage inside the octagon since his knee injury and previously relied on insane toughness, durability and the ability to out-will his opponents. It would be incredible to see him go on another run but unless he takes some proper time off to recover and switch up his training the result will likely be the same when he faces another top ranked opponent.
 
Lightweight is filled with fucking ducks. No respect. In b4 yea well you’re not the one fighting in there. No but I’m not acting like a badass either.

mcgregor literally ran away out of fear of having to face khabib/Ferguson, hung up the division for years, came back straight to a title shot, got his ass kicked, begged for a rematch despite not earning shyt, and tried securing fights with the likes of Diego Sanchez and Frankie Edgar in his return before settling for Cerrone.

Hooker ducked Islam saying he shouldn’t have to fight people ranked below him without realizing he wouldn’t be where he is without Felder taking a chance on him and getting screwed over in a decision.

khabib has a lot of anytime anywhere talk yet doesn’t even have the discipline to cut weight properly and leaves it all to the last week and missed out on so many fights as a result and is generally inactive af.

Ferguson mostly fought cans and when had a shot at Holloway decided against it.

These guys have the audacity to talk about “% of revenue” comparing themselves to actual top tier nfl/nba/nhl athletes but don’t realize they don’t get to cherry pick when they do and don’t participate. Lebron doesn’t just sit out against the Clippers because “it’s a bad business decision to have Kawhi guard me because I’m ranked higher and it’s a bad stylistic matchup.”

I’m just afraid this potentially great thing is turning into boxing. Gone are the days of guys like GSP and Mighty Mouse fighting number 1 after number 1 contender.

The only people who do that now are Adesanya and Usman and one just hugs the entire match. These guys have no grounds to compare themselves to nfl athletes.

They shouldn’t have the right to decide who they fight but there should be a very democratic rankings based process in place (e.g. 10 vs 9, etc) and very democratic process for moving up the rankings that should determine the fights. And each fighter should be booked at least 2-3 times a year.
Absolutely agree. There needs too be more activity in all weight divisions. That’s why I respect guys like chimaev and Holland these guys fight anyone doesn’t matter the rankings. Kevin Holland should get fighter of the year and a bonus of 500k for what he did in 2020
 
You are the casual

Tony never consistently beat top guys m and certainly not recent years

He was dominated twice back to back, Nate at his best would fuck him
Yea but regardless whoever they threw in front of him he beat them. Could he beat Nate diaz in his prime who knows but diaz in his prime was an animal and could beat a lot of guys including probably gaethje porier and some other top guys. Ferguson in the end was on a 12 fight win streak had the interim belt got it stripped away and still fought trying too get back too the top
 
Yeah whatever the fuck is wrong on these boards, it seems like it only takes two losses in a row for a fighter who was on a 12 fight win streak before those losses to become obsolete. Yet guys with 60-40 UFC records don't get the same treatment.

Tony's still in there, and still one of the toughest guys at 155. So he was the man to beat Khabib, but all a sudden, after he loses to two absolute beasts, he was "overrated"? His last few wins don't "mean much" because they were against Kevin Lee, Pettis and Cerrone? His UFC record is like what? 16-3? For fuck's sake, letting two losses define that guy or make a bold statement along the lines of "he's done" is beyond ridiculous.

He got his arm snapped in the first round, try to fight one of the top 5 lws with that, see what happens. And it's not like Tony getting taken down and being at the bottom is anything really new either, or him getting punched and dropped...it's routine as far as his fights are concerned, and it FINALLY lost him two fights. And while he usually manages to deal with that and shrug it off en route to finding a way to win, this is MMA, and guys win some and lose some.

It's not the end of the world, or the end of him. Still a plethora of amazing matchups for him at 155.
Couldn’t of said it better. Unbelievable how fans turn their backs so quickly. He deserves respect for what he did in the ufc
 
What’s going on with everyone here? People are ripping him saying he was never good and he is overrated etc. he lost too a beast of a fighter in Olivera at almost 37 years of age after taking a beating from gaethje. Ferguson is one of the toughest guys in the world and at one point of time beat the best fight after fight. While guys like chandler duck everyone Ferguson steps up and fights them. Before this fight was made I am pretty sure no guys in the top 10 wanted too fight do Bronx. Of course when ufc offered it too Ferguson he stepped up and almost got his arm broken as well as losing badly but he toughed it out. Give this man his respect and remember how good he was in his prime.

Its not just about recent losses, Cowboy lost 5 in a row and i would pay to see him fight and i respect him because he is humble and cool guy.
Tony is an A hole, who desevers the cussing he is getting now.
Plus he is too skinny for 155, he should fight at 145.
Tony vs Zabit, or Tony vs Max, or Tony vs Yair, or Tony vs the Zombie.
He is too weak for 155.
 
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