Opinion Pitbulls vs Firearms

[oldshadow]

What amendment protects the right to own a pitbull?

 

[deviake]

What amendment protects the right to own a pitbull?

1. What does that have to do with anything?
2. As an aside, an amendment is a change to the constitution, lol.

 

[oldshadow]

1. What does that have to do with anything?
2. As an aside, an amendment is a change to the constitutionpit bull?

1. Because it's a procted right to own and bear a firearm not a pitbull. So it's comparing apples and oranges. If you compare it to other animals then you have something.

2. Sure there is a way to make or change an amendment. Good luck with making it a right to own a pitbull.

I don't have a problem with people owning them but they should be held accountable for its actions legally.

 

[SuperAlly]

Pitbulls and guns shouldn't be banned. Owning chimpanzees should be banned those things rip your nuts off.

What about a chimpanzee riding a pitbull, dual wielding pistols?

AI did not understand the assignment:

 

[deviake]

1. Because it's a procted right to own and bear a firearm not a pitbull. So it's comparing apples and oranges. If you compare it to other animals then you have something.

2. Sure there is a way to make or change an amendment. Good luck with making it a right to own a pitbull.

I don't have a problem with people owning them but they should be held accountable for its actions legally.

1. Fair, though that's not the crux of the thread

2. I'm not advocating for that, just pointing out that people talk about amendments and the Constitution as if they can't be changed

I don't know how I feel about them. They can be dangerous but plenty of pitts are sweeties when brought up in good households. I don't feel particularly strongly about it

 

[Andy Capp]

Training, socialization, and even muzzles, which, btw, I've seen on non-pitbulls.

These are measures people can take to avoid being attacked by other peoples' dogs? Are you on drugs?

 

[deviake]

These are measures people can take to avoid being attacked by other peoples' dogs? Are you on drugs?

Oh, my bad. Uh, no, and that's fair but also that applies to someone with a gun so I don't see your point, especially given our back and forth where you've been trying to differentiate the two, you basically make my point for me?

 

[Andy Capp]

Oh, my bad. Uh, no, and that's fair but also that applies to someone with a gun so I don't see your point, especially given our back and forth where you've been trying to differentiate the two, you basically make my point for me?

sigh. I give up. I am out of patience for your stubborn and seemingly deliberate lack of comprehension.

 

[White Whale]

What about a chimpanzee riding a pitbull, dual wielding pistols?

Send it to guard the border.

 

[deviake]

sigh. I give up. I am out of patience for your stubborn and seemingly deliberate lack of comprehension.

Dogs aren't guns, dogs, specifically pitbulls, can be bred for violence and are more unpredictable and they cause more deaths than other dogs, guns are inanimate objects and can't walk, yes I got it. I know the differences, I was focusing on the similarities, particularly when certain arguments are made from pro gun people. You don't live in that culture, Canadian. I've gotten more rude responses and pushback from people who live in places with heavy restrictions on guns than my fellow Americans which wasn't on my bingo card. I've never even given a strong opinion about pitbull restrictions.

Here, I'll repeat your own words back to you with a slight alteration:

I ask again, what preventative measures can a random individual in a public place take to reduce his chance of being attacked by a person with a gun?

You live in a country with heavy gun restrictions. Get off your high horse. The last time you got curt with me you didn't even read the second page of an article I posted before talking down to me. Chill dude. What the fuck are you arguing, that guns and dogs are different? No. Fucking. Shit.

 

[djacobox372]

1) Dog ownership isn't a constitutionally protected right

2) A Dog is a poor substitute for a gun when defending yourself, others, or your community

 

[Halifax]

They're not objects but other dogs besides pitbulls also misbehave and bite people, pitbulls are the most dangerous though from any data I've seen. I don't think I've said nor implied they're 1:1 though I have emphasized harm reduction as that is the common ground between people who want to ban one or the other. Maybe I'm mind fucking myself, I'm not perfect nor immune to bias nor fallacies, but I don't think that's debatable. I emphasize that because not every pitbull is a psycho killer and yeah, nature/nurture is a separate argument because guns are inanimate objects but it still falls under the purview of personal responsibility as with firearms. They're not equivalent but there is crossover in the arguments from either side of the aisle about why one or both should be banned, which I'm emphasizing. If there wasn't crossover I wouldn't have made the thread.

As far as I'm aware any government that has banned guns doesn't have mass shootings. I haven't compared the per capita guns deaths of such places to the US.

I get your last point but I'm genuinely unsure whether you're referring to dogs or guns. I'm guessing dogs based on the context of our discussion but it applies to either.

Make a comparison that a Labrador retriever is a BB gun vs pitbull being an m60 that keeps shooting when you try to stop it then.

Retrievers can kill, but it's super rare. Mostly it's minor puncture wounds even when they attack.

The data on non fatal pitbull attacks leans to torn tendons and ligaments, reconstructive surgery and a tremendous amount of damage.

And that's just on humans. Pits have a high prey drive and are game. For every human they attack, multiply that number by a hundred when it comes to them attacking and killing other animals and neighbors pets, which doesn't make the news as often.

But one of the biggest reasons many insurance companies have a no pitbull clause is because they end up on the hook for vet bills and emotional damages when fido tears apart grandma's poodle. They either charge a huge premium, or will not insure you if you own a pit.

I stealth lurked a fake account into a local Facebook groups after an acquaintance of mine was killed by her Bully breed. They wanted the guy who ran the dog over after it killed Megan criminally charged. They had it as a public group and were keen on getting members. I argued with then so much on the Facebook CBC, Global and CTV article comment sections that they kicked my real account out lol

Fucking pit lovers/ owners in halifax rage about it being "discriminatory" to pay more for a pitbull for insurance and try to circumvent it by listing them as "lab mix", but the fine print in most insurance now has an out for the company to not be liable if the dog if found to be of pit bloodline.

I took screenshots of some of them suggesting "get Insurance with TD bank home insurance! Just list it as a lab mix and they won't check" and forwarded them to my bud who works in TD insurance who also was friends with Megan. He asked me to link him to the post and he started digging

A week and a half later? Lol. They closed it to be a private group and made a big whining post about someone screenshotting and informing the bank that they were juking the sheets to get cheaper insurance. Which, let's face it, was fraud on their part anyways.

He dug a bunch and forwarded screenshots to other insurance folks in his network. A lot of them just don't cover it and don't tell people. Typical insurance companies will make it sound like you are covered, but unless you get an underwriter to put it in print, won't. And when you try is where they see big dog and gauge prices.

If you are so confident fido won't attack anyone or anything because you can take photos of it in a santa hat, then just waive dog attack liability lady

 

[deviake]

Make a comparison that a Labrador retriever is a BB gun vs pitbull being an m60 that keeps shooting when you try to stop it then.

Retrievers can kill, but it's super rare. Mostly it's minor puncture wounds even when they attack.

The data on non fatal pitbull attacks leans to torn tendons and ligaments, reconstructive surgery and a tremendous amount of damage.

And that's just on humans. Pits have a high prey drive and are game. For every human they attack, multiply that number by a hundred when it comes to them attacking and killing other animals and neighbors pets, which doesn't make the news as often.

But one of the biggest reasons many insurance companies have a no pitbull clause is because they end up on the hook for vet bills and emotional damages when fido tears apart grandma's poodle. They either charge a huge premium, or will not insure you if you own a pit.

I stealth lurked a fake account into a local Facebook groups after an acquaintance of mine was killed by her Bully breed. They wanted the guy who ran the dog over after it killed Megan criminally charged. They had it as a public group and were keen on getting members. I argued with then so much on the Facebook CBC, Global and CTV article comment sections that they kicked my real account out lol

Fucking pit lovers/ owners in halifax rage about it being "discriminatory" to pay more for a pitbull for insurance and try to circumvent it by listing them as "lab mix", but the fine print in most insurance now has an out for the company to not be liable if the dog if found to be of pit bloodline.

I took screenshots of some of them suggesting "get Insurance with TD bank home insurance! Just list it as a lab mix and they won't check" and forwarded them to my bud who works in TD insurance who also was friends with Megan. He asked me to link him to the post and he started digging

A week and a half later? Lol. They closed it to be a private group and made a big whining post about someone screenshotting and informing the bank that they were juking the sheets to get cheaper insurance. Which, let's face it, was fraud on their part anyways.

He dug a bunch and forwarded screenshots to other insurance folks in his network. A lot of them just don't cover it and don't tell people. Typical insurance companies will make it sound like you are covered, but unless you get an underwriter to put it in print, won't. And when you try is where they see big dog and gauge prices.

If you are so confident fido won't attack anyone or anything because you can take photos of it in a santa hat, then just waive dog attack liability lady

This is informative, thanks for the contribution. That's fuckin' wild

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

My rule for both is simple.

Don't own something if you don't intend to be responsible for it!

If you have a dog with behavior issues, get it trained, supervise it around children, and ensure its acclimated to social environments.

If you own a gun, have a gun safe, keep it away from children, ensure everyone in your home can safely handle a firearm(understanding the full ramifications of using one), always apply weapons safety rules, and properly clean/care for it.

 

[Halifax]

This is informative, thanks for the contribution. That's fuckin' wild

Oh i could go on and on. That Facebook group was a cesspool of absolutely vile women masquerading as champions of the poor misunderstood pitties

After Megan was killed, her mom gave a sad statement about Kaos killing megan. The women in this group flipped out and brigaded Megan's mom, demanding she defend pitbulls in her next statement and say it was probably a bear or coyotes because "it's what Megan would have wanted". They didn't give a fuck about Megan's death. They only cared about how the news would harm the reputation of their dogs.

I am not shitting you. I could probably find the post if I looked. They shared her mom's phone number, email and literally planned how each would approach and call her with condolences, but remind her Megan loved her dogs and tell her Megan would weep if she saw her saying Kaos killed her.

Megan herself was a pit Nutter. In fact, Megan posted on this site and was into MMA.

Those dogs attacked her twice before and she refused to give them up. When i say attacked her, i mean the 2nd time she needed surgery on one of her hands and emergency services had to come to her house to get the dogs off her because she was pinned behind a couch. She raised them from when they were very young puppies and got them from a breeder and she was convinced it was her fault for not training them right.


But if you want a real honest opinion from people who love Pitbulls. Go to some of the Pitbull forums in thr behavior ans training section and pretend you are a new Pitbull owner. Tell them you would like assistance training your dog right.

Cap it all off with saying the end goal in 2 years is to be able to trust and leave your dog with your 13 year old kid and your other dog, a beagle, and let him off leash at the family BBQ and at the dog park around other dogs.

Man, you are going to see those pit lovers change their stance real quick lol. They are very hush hush about it in public and will rage that pits are harmless, but if they read someone asking for help training the animal aggression out of a pit on their private forum, they usually get honest and tell you it's not possible. You can never leave it alone with a teen. You can never trust it around other animals. One day their prey drive can just go off and you can never ever let your guard down, ever, for the rest of its life, because it's a genetic predisposition

Next in behavior, sections say it is very aggressive around kids and lunged and tried to attack one a few times. Ask for help training it not to do that. You will be surprised how fast they suggest putting the dog down on a pitbull forum lol

Pitbull's and Dog Parks

www.gopitbull.com

 

[Gotosleepho]

pitbulls are animals

 

[ChosenOne]

I don't think Pitbulls should be banned but i think they should stop breeding them and let them die off.

They are a breed with a deadly fault. And the defense of that is not to say 'most do not have that fault'. With so many dog breeds that do not have that fault, it would be better to breed them out.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Me.

Guns don’t maul children, pitbulls do. There is no reason to own a working dog bred to do something that is now illegal. Get a normal dog

 

[Pliny Pete]

Oh i could go on and on. That Facebook group was a cesspool of absolutely vile women masquerading as champions of the poor misunderstood pitties

After Megan was killed, her mom gave a sad statement about Kaos killing megan. The women in this group flipped out and brigaded Megan's mom, demanding she defend pitbulls in her next statement and say it was probably a bear or coyotes because "it's what Megan would have wanted". They didn't give a fuck about Megan's death. They only cared about how the news would harm the reputation of their dogs.

I am not shitting you. I could probably find the post if I looked. They shared her mom's phone number, email and literally planned how each would approach and call her with condolences, but remind her Megan loved her dogs and tell her Megan would weep if she saw her saying Kaos killed her.

Megan herself was a pit Nutter. In fact, Megan posted on this site and was into MMA.

Those dogs attacked her twice before and she refused to give them up. When i say attacked her, i mean the 2nd time she needed surgery on one of her hands and emergency services had to come to her house to get the dogs off her because she was pinned behind a couch. She raised them from when they were very young puppies and got them from a breeder and she was convinced it was her fault for not training them right.


But if you want a real honest opinion from people who love Pitbulls. Go to some of the Pitbull forums in thr behavior ans training section and pretend you are a new Pitbull owner. Tell them you would like assistance training your dog right.

Cap it all off with saying the end goal in 2 years is to be able to trust and leave your dog with your 13 year old kid and your other dog, a beagle, and let him off leash at the family BBQ and at the dog park around other dogs.

Man, you are going to see those pit lovers change their stance real quick lol. They are very hush hush about it in public and will rage that pits are harmless, but if they read someone asking for help training the animal aggression out of a pit on their private forum, they usually get honest and tell you it's not possible. You can never leave it alone with a teen. You can never trust it around other animals. One day their prey drive can just go off and you can never ever let your guard down, ever, for the rest of its life, because it's a genetic predisposition

Next in behavior, sections say it is very aggressive around kids and lunged and tried to attack one a few times. Ask for help training it not to do that. You will be surprised how fast they suggest putting the dog down on a pitbull forum lol

Pitbull's and Dog Parks

www.gopitbull.com

So youre criticizing people for being responsible dog owners and suggesting that you put human aggressive dogs down, word

 

[Andy Capp]

Oh i could go on and on. That Facebook group was a cesspool of absolutely vile women masquerading as champions of the poor misunderstood pitties

After Megan was killed, her mom gave a sad statement about Kaos killing megan. The women in this group flipped out and brigaded Megan's mom, demanding she defend pitbulls in her next statement and say it was probably a bear or coyotes because "it's what Megan would have wanted". They didn't give a fuck about Megan's death. They only cared about how the news would harm the reputation of their dogs.

I am not shitting you. I could probably find the post if I looked. They shared her mom's phone number, email and literally planned how each would approach and call her with condolences, but remind her Megan loved her dogs and tell her Megan would weep if she saw her saying Kaos killed her.

Megan herself was a pit Nutter. In fact, Megan posted on this site and was into MMA.

Those dogs attacked her twice before and she refused to give them up. When i say attacked her, i mean the 2nd time she needed surgery on one of her hands and emergency services had to come to her house to get the dogs off her because she was pinned behind a couch. She raised them from when they were very young puppies and got them from a breeder and she was convinced it was her fault for not training them right.


But if you want a real honest opinion from people who love Pitbulls. Go to some of the Pitbull forums in thr behavior ans training section and pretend you are a new Pitbull owner. Tell them you would like assistance training your dog right.

Cap it all off with saying the end goal in 2 years is to be able to trust and leave your dog with your 13 year old kid and your other dog, a beagle, and let him off leash at the family BBQ and at the dog park around other dogs.

Man, you are going to see those pit lovers change their stance real quick lol. They are very hush hush about it in public and will rage that pits are harmless, but if they read someone asking for help training the animal aggression out of a pit on their private forum, they usually get honest and tell you it's not possible. You can never leave it alone with a teen. You can never trust it around other animals. One day their prey drive can just go off and you can never ever let your guard down, ever, for the rest of its life, because it's a genetic predisposition

Next in behavior, sections say it is very aggressive around kids and lunged and tried to attack one a few times. Ask for help training it not to do that. You will be surprised how fast they suggest putting the dog down on a pitbull forum lol

Pitbull's and Dog Parks

www.gopitbull.com

I'm sorry for your loss. As one Maritimer to another I wonder if you'd be willing to PM me her Sherdog username since I'm curious if I ever interacted with her here but I totally understand if you're not.