Social Pitbull Attack thread

KOPPE said:


0:07 dogs attack
0:13 man taken to ground
0:38 first shot
0:42 last of 4 shots

Ban these killers once and for all! For their own good, this is terrible to watch, i feel sorry for the dogs that they are put in this position, this is their instinct and they have to be brutally shot cause scumbags want them as pets.
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Wow those dogs looked like they were infected by rabies.

Weird pack mentality they had going after that guy and whoever else.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Dog Breeds Don't Have Distinct Personalities
Individual dogs have personalities that can make characterizing a breed dicey.

"Breedism" doesn't work

"One of the most exciting aspects of studying dogs centers on their marked differences in behavior, personalities, and how they adjust to living in a human-dominated world."

A few hours ago I learned about an essay by Elizabeth Pennisi that is available for free online titled "Dog breeds really do have distinct personalities—and they’re rooted in DNA." In this piece, Ms. Pennisi offers a discussion of a preprint of an essay by University of Arizona researcher Dr. Evan MacLean and his colleagues called "Highly Heritable and Functionally Relevant Breed Differences in Dog Behavior," also available for free online. In this study, more than 17,000 dogs representing 101 breeds were studied. The researchers did not look at genetic and behavioral data for individual dogs. Ms. Pennisi writes, "In all, the teamidentified 131 places in a dog’s DNA that may help shape 14 key personality traits. Together, these DNA regions explain about 15% of a dog breed’s personality, with each exerting only a small effect. Trainability, chasing, and a tendency to be aggressive toward strangers were the most highly heritable traits, the scientists report in a paper posted this month on the preprint server bioRxiv." While the data from this study are very interesting, experts in dog genetics caution that because "this study finds a much bigger role for genetics in shaping behavior than previous studies...more work needs to be done to verify the findings."

Dog breeds do not have personalities, individuals do

Just as I was getting ready to write this brief essay calling attention to the fact that breeds do not have personalities, but individuals do, I received an email from dog expert Dr. Ádám Miklósi, a co-founder of the Family Dog Project at Eötvös Loránd University in Budapest, about the title of Ms. Pennisi's essay. He wrote "dog breeds do not have personalities...this link will cause more harm than gains." This sort of category error is rather common when people discuss traits that supposedly can be found at the species level, for example, and calling attention to this mistake is important because it misrepresents who dogs are as individuals and ignores within-breed/within-species variations that can be observed even among littermates and siblings.

One of the best discussions about dog personalities to which I go regularly is chapter 15, "The organization of individual behavior," of Dr. Miklósi's book called Dog Behaviour, Evolution, and Cognition. On page 335 he writes, "Although breeds by definition have no personality, personality
trait values obtained from individual dogs (belonging to a specific breed) can be used to characterize a dog breed or breed group (see Figure 15.2)." In this chapter Dr. Miklósi also critically evaluates studies of personalities that focus on breed differences and notes that one has to be careful about how they're interpreted because they're often based on correlations between only two variables out of many possibilities, traits are judged by experts, and only a small number of breeds are studied. He also notes that personality is not a stable trait and can vary over time. I can't cover all of the valuable material Dr. Miklósi summarizes in detail, and I highly recommend chapter 15 to anyone interested in the study of dog personalities.

The importance of paying close attention to individual differences among dogs

Anyone who's spent even a little time around dogs knows there are large individual differences, among members of the same breed, same mixed breeds, and even among littermates and siblings. When I watch dogs, I focus on individual differences among them, because no two dogs are the same. I love when people tell me that they live with two dogs from the same litter and they're as different as night and day. The bottom line is that there is no "the dog." Each dog is a unique individual and it's good for them and for us when we come to realize that we must appreciate and understand each and every dog as the individual they are. (See Canine Confidential: Why Dogs Do What They Do.)

While I find Dr. MacLean and his colleagues' study to be very interesting, I'm leery of breed-wide and simplified stereotypes about the personality and behavior of members of these groups. They often gloss over wide-ranging individual differences among dogs who are placed in this or that group, and I know I'm not alone in hearing stories about people who choose to live with a dog of a specific breed or breed-mix because they were told something like, "This is how they'll behave in this or that situation" or "They're petty laid back," only to find out this isn't so. A few people I know, and I'm sure they're not alone, wound up returning dogs they'd rescued or bought from breeders because they didn't behave in the way they were told individuals of their particular breed "typically" behave.

What's so exciting about studying the fascinating cognitive and emotional lives of dogs and other animals is how much individual variation there is among members of the same breed/species. The interesting challenges are to understand each and every individual for who they are, to come to appreciate why there are these differences in cognitive skills, emotional capacities, and personality, and to understand how these differences influence the sorts of social bonds a dog can form with other dogs and with humans. It's not only important to become fluent in dog -- dog literate -- but also to come to know and respect each dog as a unique being -- what they want and need and how they react to different social and other situations. (See "How Well Do You Know What Dogs Do, Think, and Feel?", "Should Shelters and Breeders Require Literacy in Behavior?", "iSpeakDog: A Website Devoted to Becoming Dog Literate," and links therein.)

Dogs don't care how they're labeled and shouldn't suffer because of how we choose to categorize them. Often it's more about people rather than the dogs. All too frequently "breedism" -- convenient, oversimplified, and misleading stereotyping -- doesn't serve them or their (and other) humans well.

References

Bekoff, Marc. Why Dogs Matter. Psychology Today, January 1, 2019.

Bekoff, Marc. Pit Bulls: The Psychology of Breedism, Fear, and Prejudice. Psychology Today, June 2, 2016.

Bekoff, Marc. A Matter of Breeding: How We've Greatly Harmed BFF Dogs. Psychology Today, June 20, 2015. (A review of the following reference.)

Brandon, Michael. A Matter of Breeding: A Biting History of Pedigree Dogs and How the Quest for Status Has Harmed Man's Best Friend. Beacon Press, Boston, 2015.

Brophey, Kim. Meet Your Dog: The Game-Changing Guide to Understanding Your Dog's Behavior. Chronicle Books, 2018

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...g-breeds-dont-have-distinct-personalities?amp
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Biggest load of bullshit I've ever seen. DGAF how many "studies" there are. I've had both a Golden Retriever and a pitbull. You cannot tell me they didn't have breed specific behaviors.
 
Hog-train said:
Biggest load of bullshit I've ever seen. DGAF how many "studies" there are. I've had both a Golden Retriever and a pitbull. You cannot tell me they didn't have breed specific behaviors.
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It's total bullshit.

Tell all those border collies raised in the city who go to the farm for the first time and instinctively herd animals they should not be able to do that without training lol

It's genetics.
 
deadshot138 said:
www.animalhealthfoundation.org

Dog Bite Statistics By Breed You Need To Know in 2023! - The Animal Health Foundation

From the World Animal Foundation – December 9, 2023 By: Monika Martyn Originally published on January 30, 2023, this article has been updated on December 09, 2023 to reflect the latest research and statistics. Our editorial team has ensured you’re viewing the most current data on this topic...
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What are your thoughts on "Dogs of Peace" not being included in the thread title? Surely this is something a mod can fix.
 
KOPPE said:


0:07 dogs attack
0:13 man taken to ground
0:38 first shot
0:42 last of 4 shots

Ban these killers once and for all! For their own good, this is terrible to watch, i feel sorry for the dogs that they are put in this position, this is their instinct and they have to be brutally shot cause scumbags want them as pets.
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So what breed is the dog that is 2x the size of the rest of them?
 
I've said this before in this thread but I will say it again.

F*** pitbulls.

I got mauled by one while I was out on a run. Left me on crutches for 3 months and 20k in medical bills. For those wondering, I am a grown fit male (5'10", 180 lbs lean) and there was nothing I could do since it attacked from the back.
 
PoundForPound said:
I've said this before in this thread but I will say it again.

F*** pitbulls.

I got mauled by one while I was out on a run. Left me on crutches for 3 months and 20k in medical bills. For those wondering, I am a grown fit male (5'10", 180 lbs lean) and there was nothing I could do since it attacked from the back.
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Damn man that sucks. Did you sue the owner? Was the dog euthanized?
 
deadshot138 said:
Damn man that sucks. Did you sue the owner? Was the dog euthanized?
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Yeah man, you could say I was beyond pissed. I tried to sue but owner didn't have much to go after (per lawyer). And in Texas, a dog gets to maul at least two people before they do anything. Makes sense right?

Oh, and the owner was walking it with a leash...except she didn't hold on tightly to it.
 
KOPPE said:


0:07 dogs attack
0:13 man taken to ground
0:38 first shot
0:42 last of 4 shots

Ban these killers once and for all! For their own good, this is terrible to watch, i feel sorry for the dogs that they are put in this position, this is their instinct and they have to be brutally shot cause scumbags want them as pets.
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Wasn't that a Cane Corso that ended up getting shot dead?
 
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