Pico is proof that fighters are born not made

gracie_barra_samurai said:
Bros been wrestling since 4, and doing boxing and pankration since elementary school but gets knocked out by Lerone Murphy who started MMA in his late teens.

I've always been a little uncomfortable with these soccer mom type parents really pushing their kids too much into combat sports (treating it like their life/career instead of a hobby).

You can't tell if someone has the natural traits like knockout power and dawg in them until at least puberty. It's not like soccer, basketball etc. This is the hurt game.
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Not really addressing your primary point, but regarding his parents, I remember prior to his first fight in MMA, I'd read that his parents were ok with his decision to drop out of high school to pursue wrestling and boxing.

Obviously, parenting is about love and support, but a 17 year old not even graduating highschool and choosing instead to focus entirely on a sport with notoriously limited career longevity.... wow. Granted, he's done well for himself, so arguably, it worked out all right. That said, he doesn't seem too bright.
 
He's too fragile, especially now that his chin is cracked to bolivia.

You never know he could go on a run but that chin will give out again sooner or later.
 
Wladimir Klitchko: I wasnt born a fighter, like my brother. I had to learn.

69 wins 5 losses 53 wins by KO

Olympic Gold Medalist

Unified HW Champion

but...do go on about your irrelevant topic
 
HHJ said:
Wladimir Klitchko: I wasnt born a fighter, like my brother. I had to learn.

69 wins 5 losses 53 wins by KO

Olympic Gold Medalist

Unified HW Champion

but...do go on about your irrelevant topic
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Put a random twink or a Pico/Bo on the same routine as Wlad, and we'll see if he becomes a world champ.

You have to be born with intangibles, but obviously you need to train to become a world class boxer/kickboxer/etc
 
Its almost like Aaron has too many skills

Dude has so much data to pull from, he makes bad calculations in the heat of the moment time and time again

World-class wrestling can sometimes be too much depending on the fighter. It all depends on the techniques they favor as they need to dump most of the system in order to be effective in cage-fighting

Same with world-class boxing, MMA has kicks and other nuances to take away a boxers stance and positions



Ilia on the other hand has great wrestling, but wasn’t part of some world-team and went to submission grappling early to adapt to the sport

Also, Ilia’s boxing has grown all the while practicing MMA. He wasn’t some boxing prodigy who crossed-over to MMA. It’s the MMA training that has made his boxing training so good inside the cage
 
gracie_barra_samurai said:
Put a random twink or a Pico/Bo on the same routine as Wlad, and we'll see if he becomes a world champ.

You have to be born with intangibles, but obviously you need to train to become a world class boxer/kickboxer/etc
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oh my god

so your actual point is not not everyone can be a fighter. GOD we are so glad to have you to make us realize this!!!

But You say fighters are born not made

WRONG

Both can happen.
 
I love it when keyboard warriors try to condescend towards professional fighters.

 
HHJ said:
oh my god

so your actual point is not not everyone can be a fighter. GOD we are so glad to have you to make us realize this!!!

But You say fighters are born not made

WRONG

Both can happen.
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I don't get what you're saying. It's a basic fact.

Fighters are born, as in you need the natural intangibles. You can't make those. So it doesn't make sense pushing kids into the fight game at a super aggressive level (beyond the healthy hobby/self defence level) until they're old enough to show that they have the natural intangibles.

It's not a good life to push onto kids. It's literally the hurt game.
 
Not really a matter of will, Pico is just kinda chinny.
 
gracie_barra_samurai said:
I don't get what you're saying. It's a basic fact.

Fighters are born, as in you need the natural intangibles. You can't make those. So it doesn't make sense pushing kids into the fight game at a super aggressive level (beyond the healthy hobby/self defence level) until they're old enough to show that they have the natural intangibles.

It's not a good life to push onto kids. It's literally the hurt game.
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I dont have a problem with kids getting into martial arts, but their training should be very closely watched and they should not be hitting each other until a certain age.
 
hbombbisping said:
He's too fragile, especially now that his chin is cracked to bolivia.

You never know he could go on a run but that chin will give out again sooner or later.
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His last ko loss was against Adam Borics, a solid fighter who is still actively competing and succesful. That was a flying knee in the third round when he was starting to go for a takedown, a la Romero vs Weidman. That was also about a dozen fights ago, 6 years ago, when he was around 22.

That loss wasn't the result of a 'weak chin', just the wrong choice in that split moment, with a good fighter capitalizing on it. That's what they do in fighting.


Murphy is a good fighter, if you go against a good fighter and they hit you with a spinning elbow you don't see coming there's a solid chance you're going out regardless how durable you are. Petrosyan got surprised by a double spinning elbow by The One Eyed Pirate, and so did Geof Neal the fight before Pico's, and both fighters have shown really solid durability in their career.
 
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gracie_barra_samurai said:
I said "like". There's more intangibles to fighting than any other sport.

Chris Eubank said it best, it's not really a sport, it's gladiatoring.
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Pico has had one glaring weakness his entire career. It's nothing new and has nothing to do with whether he has that dawg in him.

PIco has proven many times over in various combat sports that he "has that dawg in him." In fact, having too much "dawg" is one of his issues when it comes to MMA. Running into exchanges with your hands down and chin up is not a recipe for success.
 
PeterGriffin said:
Small setback for Pico but that kid has skills and you can see it, if you can't you're blind. Fight enough times and you'll lose sooner or later. If Pico can shrug this off, I still think I watched a future champ in the making.
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This is exactly what everyone said after his loss in his first fight, in Bellator. He's gonna come back and be champ, look at his skills. Then they said it after every loss since then.

This belief in Pico against all visible evidence in the L column is hilarious. The UFC even fell for it, they were gonna put him against Movsar to be in line for a title shot.

Yes, the guy has skills, great wrestling and great boxing, too. It does look like a recipe for greatness. He "looks like" a champ out there, but the results just aren't there, over and over again.
 
Pico's problems are fight IQ, defense, and maybe chin. He has skills, power, and heart though.
 
Goatenstein said:
He lost on a desperate fluke spinny move.
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Yeah, and he lost to Jeremy Kennedy on a fluke shoulder ouchie. And before that to Adam Borics to a fluke jump-uppy knee. And before that to Henry Corrales on a fluke punchy-wunchy to the jaw. And he lost his very first fight due to a fluke guillotine choke.

He's just gotta work a few flukes out of his system and he's a certain champ. Book it!
 
PeterGriffin said:
Are you for real? Pico got caught, and Lerone got lucky.

Small setback for Pico but that kid has skills and you can see it, if you can't you're blind. Fight enough times and you'll lose sooner or later. If Pico can shrug this off, I still think I watched a future champ in the making.
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“Lerone got lucky”
No he did not. It was a perfectly timed elbow against a low IQ fighter who had no respect for a Lerone and aggressively pushed in without any defense.

Picos IQ is so low at the opening bell he charged in like a bull and Lerone in his head is probably thinking “is this guy serious”? Usually you let a few exchanges pass to see how dangerous the fighter is but Pico literally just charged in as if he thought Lerone is just another can from Bellator.
 
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