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Say you run a company or a department within a company

Who would you rather have working for you as your 2nd in command?

Someone who is energetic, does not say no to tasks, but incompetent

(Energetic idiot)

OR

Someone who is experienced but lazy and/or challenges you on how things get done

(Experienced lazy challenger)

Mods, a poll would be appreciated
 
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Say you run a company or a department within a company

Who would you rather have working for you as your 2nd in command?

Someone who is energetic, does not say no to tasks, but incompetent

(Energetic idiot)

OR

Someone who is experienced but lazy and/or challenges you on how things get done

(Experienced lazy challenger)

Mods, a poll would be appreciated
Hey what’s up dawg.

If I’m managing 1 person I’ll take lazy challenger.

If I’m managing many people and have other priorities that need my time I’ll take the energetic idiot.


Both have their pros and cons, for me it’s a decision made by capacity
 
Eh, out of the 2 I'd go with the second one. At the end of the day it's all about results plus I don't care how it gets done as long as it gets done.
 
I love this question. I'll share a story and answer.

Many moons ago, when dinosaurs roamed the land I was in the Air Force, at one particular base I had a shift of about 16 folks. I pretty much hand-picked them since it was the busiest shift. I couldn't stand most of them and you'd never see me with them outside of work. However, the collective work ethic, despite bad attitudes and habits, was remarkable. I called them/us the "Get sh*t done crew" because we outperformed other shifts despite being more busy. (I realize that the last sentence might sound odd because one could reasonably infer that the reason we outperformed the other shifts was due to mine being more busy. But it would be difficult and lengthy to explain that.) But I actually removed an energetic idiot from my shift.

If it were in the confines of a shift similar to what I had in the Air Force, experienced challengers all day.

In a 9-5 setting, I'd take neither and work by myself.
 
As long as he isn't creating a toxic environment for the team, experienced lazy challenger all day. If he's challenging me, that means he still cares enough about the job to want his experience to be heard. As long as he's getting things done to standard, I'd delegate as much as possible to that guy and stay out of his way until/unless he starts fucking things up.

To put this in BJJ terms, if the job is submitting people, this is like comparing a 50 yo broken ass black belt with a bad shoulder and no kneecaps to an energetic same size 1st month white belt spaz who trains 3 x day every day and tells you he's building his game after Kade (not Tye) Ruotolo. The BB can still submit you while lying on his back taking a smoke break but the white belt spaz will waste a ton of energy running around before injuring both himself and you before leaving the water running and flooding the whole gym.
 
You got fucked well before 2 days ago. The "place your bets on when Biden drops out" thread was started 5 months ago, the "Joe Biden sundowning" thread was start 5 years ago. Stop skipping spine day and muster the balls to demand something from your party. Some of you pretended to for like 5 minutes, and then the emails came out showing your party hates you and fucked the more popular candidate to run Hillary Clinton, so you tucked tail, put an "I'm with her" bumper sticker on your car and did what you were told. Then you got a 50 year career politician with dementia, and again, fell in line and did what you're told. Now they don't even bother asking you anymore, and again you fall in line.

You are right though, dems tend to not even like their own kids and keep trying kill them or castrate them. Great job, you no self esteem fucking doormats.


This thread may have legs
 
I work with a lazy challenger. One of the smartest guys we have here.

He would be an absolute nightmare to supervise. He stops being lazy if he's trying to get one over on our supervisor or make his life difficult. My supervisor has 24 people under him but this one guy is more difficult to supervise than the other 23 combined.
 
The first. I have to go behind and clean up people's messes anyway, so someone willing to take the brunt of the work off my hands with zero lip, is far more desirable when it comes to having to go over multiple people's work on a daily basis. I don't have more time to deal with unruly colleagues.
 
Say you run a company or a department within a company

Who would you rather have working for you as your 2nd in command?

Someone who is energetic, does not say no to tasks, but incompetent

(Energetic idiot)

OR

Someone who is experienced but lazy and/or challenges you on how things get done

(Experienced lazy challenger)

Mods, a poll would be appreciated
That is dependent on the nature of the scenario. If the company is established and slow paced with space to reflect, then the second option. If the company is burgeoning and fast paced, I would choose the first option.

It's a matter of the scenario in relation to time and energy.

Regardless, your number 1 should not be incompetent or lazy.

 
I'd take the energetic dummy.

I can teach them what they need to know over time.

I have a lazy challenger right now and it's a pain in the ass. I don't mind being challenged on my decisions sometimes but she argues every fucking decision and bad mouths me behind my back. It's more work dealing with her than it would be to fix the energetic dummy's work.
 
Ok so the question actually was who would you rather have working for you. As in, you'd have to choose one or the other. A hot secretary is mandatory in every workplace- so that is completely separate from the scenario I presented.

In other words, you already have a hot secretary working for you, who else would you hire with the choices presented?
 
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