International Philippines say Chinese boats rammed vessels in disputed waters

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MANILA, Philippines (AP) — A Chinese coast guard ship and an accompanying vessel rammed a Philippine coast guard ship and a military-run supply boat Sunday off a contested shoal, Philippine officials said, in an encounter that heightened fears of an armed conflict in the disputed South China Sea.

A top Philippine security official told The Associated Press there were no injuries among the Filipino crew members and an assessment of the damage to both vessels was underway.

The official said that the two incidents near Second Thomas Shoal, where China has repeatedly tried to isolate a Philippine marine outpost, could have been worse if the vessels were not able to maneuver rapidly away from the Chinese ships. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to a lack of authority to publicly discuss the matter.

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China’s sweeping territorial claims in the South China Sea, including over islands closer to Philippine shore, have raised tensions and brought in the United States, a longtime treaty ally of the Philippines, into the fray.

The U.S. ambassador to Manila, MaryKay Carlson, wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that “the United States condemns the PRC’s latest disruption of a legal Philippine resupply mission to Ayungin shoal, putting the lives of Filipino service members at risk.”

She used the initials for China’s formal name, the People’s Republic of China, and the name the Philippines uses for Second Thomas Shoal. She added that Washington was standing with its allies to help protect Philippine sovereignty and to support a free and open Indo-Pacific region.

The Chinese coast guard said the Philippine vessels “trespassed” into what it said were Chinese waters “without authorization” despite repeated radio warnings, prompting its ships to stop them. It blamed the Philippine vessels for causing the collisions.

“The Philippine side’s behavior seriously violates the international rules on avoiding collisions at sea and threatens the navigation safety of our vessels,” the Chinese coast guard said in a statement posted on its website.

The Chinese authorities said that they were stopping Philippines ships that carried “illegal construction” materials.

A Philippine government task force dealing with the South China Sea said the collisions occurred as two Philippine supply boats escorted by two Philippine coast guard ships were heading to deliver food and other supplies to the military outpost that has been under a Chinese blockade.

The actions of the Chinese ships were “in utter blatant disregard of the United Nations Charter, the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea” and international regulations that aim to prevent sea collisions, it said.

Near-collisions have happened frequently as Philippine vessels deliver supplies to Filipino marines and sailors stationed on the disputed shoal. But this was the first time Philippine officials have reported their vessels being hit by China’s ships.

In the past, Chinese officials have played down claims that the Chinese vessels enforcing Beijing’s territorial claims were in fact paramilitary ships disguised as fishing boats.

Despite the Chinese efforts, one of the two boats managed to maneuver and deliver supplies to the small contingent stationed on board a marooned warship, the BRP Sierra Madre, the task force said.

The South China Sea is one of the world’s busiest trade routes. The disputes involve China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei, and are regarded as a flashpoint in a delicate fault line in U.S.-China rivalry in the region.
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In early August, a Chinese coast guard ship used a water cannon against one of two Philippine supply boats to prevent it from approaching Second Thomas Shoal. It outraged President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. and prompted the Department of Foreign Affairs in Manila to summon the Chinese ambassador to convey a strongly worded protest.

Washington reacted by renewing a warning that it is obligated to defend the Philippines as a treaty ally.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry accused Washington of “threatening China” by raising the possibility of activating the U.S.-Philippine mutual defense treaty. Beijing has repeatedly warned the U.S. not to meddle in regional territorial disputes.

The European Union ambassador to Manila, Luc Veron, said the incidents, “their repetition and intensification, are dangerous and very disturbing.” The EU, he added, joins the Philippines “in its call for the full observance of international law in the South China Sea.”

A 2016 arbitration ruling set up under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea invalidated Beijing’s claims on historical grounds to virtually the entire South China Sea. China refused to participate in the arbitration sought by the Philippines, rejected the decision and continues to defy it.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/philippines-say-chinese-ship-rammed-vessels-in-disputed-waters
 
The front gate for WW3 is that region. Not Russia/Ukraine nor Israel/Palestine, imo.
Who would fight alongside China though? North Korea? Some middle Eastern countries?

Against China though, In that region it would probably be Japan, South Korea, Australia, India, Vietnam, Phillipines, Taiwan......anyone else?

I'm happy to be corrected but, the more I think of it, the less I see China as a true, militaristic threat.
 
Who would fight alongside China though? North Korea? Some middle Eastern countries?

Against China though, In that region it would probably be Japan, South Korea, Australia, India, Vietnam, Phillipines, Taiwan......anyone else?

I'm happy to be corrected but, the more I think of it, the less I see China as a true, militaristic threat.
True. It depends if China's collapse happens first or if the belt and road debt trap is effective. They already got a couple of ports to extend their influence through their scam.
 
Who would fight alongside China though? North Korea? Some middle Eastern countries?

Against China though, In that region it would probably be Japan, South Korea, Australia, India, Vietnam, Phillipines, Taiwan......anyone else?

I'm happy to be corrected but, the more I think of it, the less I see China as a true, militaristic threat.
Probably no one in the Middle East but possible Russia. China has a lot to lose by going to war and it would be catastrophic for them. It would be a disaster for the entire world economy but particularly bad for them.

That said, they are ruled by essentially one man now that may want to set his legacy as the guy who reunited with Taiwan. Whenever you’re talking about a country like that it’s a lot more likely that they will not care about the costs of going to war.
 
Who would fight alongside China though? North Korea? Some middle Eastern countries?

Against China though, In that region it would probably be Japan, South Korea, Australia, India, Vietnam, Phillipines, Taiwan......anyone else?

I'm happy to be corrected but, the more I think of it, the less I see China as a true, militaristic threat.

China is not stupid enough to do all out battle.

They'll just keep pushing the envelope by doing aggressive actions that toe the line. But not aggressive enough for anyone to do anything back.

The waters China keeps encroaching on are right off the coast of the Philippines. I hope with the new US bases, we will help the Philippines patrol the waters.
 
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Who would fight alongside China though? North Korea? Some middle Eastern countries?

Against China though, In that region it would probably be Japan, South Korea, Australia, India, Vietnam, Phillipines, Taiwan......anyone else?

I'm happy to be corrected but, the more I think of it, the less I see China as a true, militaristic threat.
Pakistan is a very staunch ally of China, but I don't think they will back China to fight an alliance partly composed of Western nations, cause they know they would be fcuked. China knows it will be end of China and the CCP if they take on the West. So the US should make it quite clear that it will back the Phillipines.
 
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This is a screen cap of the large vessel traffic in that area at the moment for reference. These are ships with an AIS (automatic identification system)
 

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Who would fight alongside China though? North Korea? Some middle Eastern countries?

Against China though, In that region it would probably be Japan, South Korea, Australia, India, Vietnam, Phillipines, Taiwan......anyone else?

I'm happy to be corrected but, the more I think of it, the less I see China as a true, militaristic threat.
Chinese do not fight wars with tanks or drones.
They prefer economic power. They will take over. The rest are better prepare their diddly holes.
 
Phillippines are tryna align themselves with the US/Aukus in an attempt to avoid China's takeover. It's going to get deeper and deeper.

- Cant blame them. Judging the size of the adversary!
 
- Cant blame them. Judging the size of the adversary!
Size, mentality, work discipline, and culture...
Who's their adversary? Dudes who want to wear bras and pee in ladies bathrooms?
The west is done for.
 
Who would fight alongside China though? North Korea? Some middle Eastern countries?

Against China though, In that region it would probably be Japan, South Korea, Australia, India, Vietnam, Phillipines, Taiwan......anyone else?

I'm happy to be corrected but, the more I think of it, the less I see China as a true, militaristic threat.

On paper India is like #3 of Team China
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So i doubt they will switch against them, but sure af good chance they would just play ambiguous to end up neutral

Or west can leverage on hate between India and Pakistan, and that fact India does'nt trust China either... was like 2020 the news they were fighting with rock and sticks on the border and afterward flexing at home about different numbers of dead soldiers

But again India would probably just go neautral
And more important than that China does'nt want a war either
 
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